New Sharrow the SIZE OF A PARKED CAR
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New Sharrow the SIZE OF A PARKED CAR
Seattle had their first open "Bicycle Master Plan" meeting where a half a thousand bicyclists swarmed the UW hall rented for the occasion. there was a lot of 'feelgood' roadway striping plans being introduced to more cleanly unify Seattles' broken string of veloaccomodations, but the most interesting development i saw in the various design charettes were...
SHARROWS THE SIZE OF A PARKED CAR....currently being tested in California, and soon to pass AASHTO muster for nationwide implementation.
These new, MUCH LARGER sharrows have been and are still being studied and tested in California. Drivers find these much more visible. sorry i don't have any pictures, they only had a photo on powerpoint.
Very interesting, supersized sharrows.
In rebuttal, to present the oppositions' opinion about roadway accomodations that benefit bicyclists,
In the spirit of the alpha dawg, lanegrabbing, powerweavin' "VC-APPROVED" Jedi mind-meld mirror master, "we don't neeeed no stinkeen' sharrows"
SHARROWS THE SIZE OF A PARKED CAR....currently being tested in California, and soon to pass AASHTO muster for nationwide implementation.
These new, MUCH LARGER sharrows have been and are still being studied and tested in California. Drivers find these much more visible. sorry i don't have any pictures, they only had a photo on powerpoint.
Very interesting, supersized sharrows.
In rebuttal, to present the oppositions' opinion about roadway accomodations that benefit bicyclists,
In the spirit of the alpha dawg, lanegrabbing, powerweavin' "VC-APPROVED" Jedi mind-meld mirror master, "we don't neeeed no stinkeen' sharrows"
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
SHARROWS THE SIZE OF A PARKED CAR....currently being tested in California, and soon to pass AASHTO muster for nationwide implementation.
These new, MUCH LARGER sharrows have been and are still being studied and tested in California. Drivers find these much more visible.
These new, MUCH LARGER sharrows have been and are still being studied and tested in California. Drivers find these much more visible.
I like it much better. Thanks, Bek.
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Sharrows are much better than bike lanes, and making them as big as parked cars takes care of the main problem with the smaller ones - implying that where the small sharrow is the one and only place where cyclists are supposed to be.
Did they say where in CA they were being tested?
Did they say where in CA they were being tested?
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..that last point about value and worth is entirely judgemental, and subject to local roadway interps, usage and grade, hed....you know that!
but i do not know where they are getting on the road testing in CA- obviously, not where hed bikes. if and when he bikes. obviously.
but i do not know where they are getting on the road testing in CA- obviously, not where hed bikes. if and when he bikes. obviously.
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Originally Posted by Eli_Damon
What is a "sharrow"?
Something like (but not exactly) this:
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Originally Posted by genec
Big arrow with in this case probably a bike symbol.
Something like (but not exactly) this:
Something like (but not exactly) this:
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Sharrow is way better than a bike lane stripe. It designates a general 'area' for cyclists, but does not 'confine' the cyclist.
Width is a big issue, and one of my personal peeves with bike lanes: They are way too narrow and the width is inconsistent.
Width is a big issue, and one of my personal peeves with bike lanes: They are way too narrow and the width is inconsistent.
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Sharrow is way better than a bike lane stripe. It designates a general 'area' for cyclists, but does not 'confine' the cyclist.
Width is a big issue, and one of my personal peeves with bike lanes: They are way too narrow and the width is inconsistent.
Width is a big issue, and one of my personal peeves with bike lanes: They are way too narrow and the width is inconsistent.
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Originally Posted by sgtsmile
What kind of paint do they use? I would wonder how slippery those would be in the rain (a lot of the road paint used around here is so thick that it has a raised surface and is very slick when wet).
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Originally Posted by sgtsmile
True, which is why I generally ignore them.... (of course, the ontario traffic act lets me do this, whew)
It's been pointed out that they also serve as an irrefutable argument to wrong-way cyclists that YES, dammit, they ARE going the wrong way.
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Those sharrow deals seem pretty cool to me. The designated bike lane is nice too though, although around here(many other places too) it is also the designated street sweeper dump, drunk frat boys bottle return and many other things beside just a measly bike lane.
I've taken it on as my own personal Crusade to make sure to educate people when they are going the wrong way. Part of my implementation of this new syllabus was to mount some 5" wide longhorns on the front of my SWB recumbent. I already look out of the ordinary now that I have horns on my bike, people know I mean business!(they aren't any wider than my cranks/pedals but it's funny anyway). Yelling and the Airzound are also key in this crusade.
I've taken it on as my own personal Crusade to make sure to educate people when they are going the wrong way. Part of my implementation of this new syllabus was to mount some 5" wide longhorns on the front of my SWB recumbent. I already look out of the ordinary now that I have horns on my bike, people know I mean business!(they aren't any wider than my cranks/pedals but it's funny anyway). Yelling and the Airzound are also key in this crusade.
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Bike lanes are not the street sweeper dump, they are the traffic sweeper dump.
Moving traffic constantly sweeps the roadway. Since they treat a bike lane like a shoulder, they don't drive there, and, so, everything their movement sweeps off the roadway goes into the bike lane.
Street sweepers love bike lanes... it gives them purpose.
Moving traffic constantly sweeps the roadway. Since they treat a bike lane like a shoulder, they don't drive there, and, so, everything their movement sweeps off the roadway goes into the bike lane.
Street sweepers love bike lanes... it gives them purpose.
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Thanks to genec for the picture by way of education for those of us unfamiliar with the sharrow
I like the idea
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I like the idea
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Width is a big issue, and one of my personal peeves with bike lanes: They are way too narrow and the width is inconsistent.
Sharrows also work on streets without room for a separate bike lane, and I think they are a great educational tool for motorists, showing them that bikes are allowed and expected to take the lane.
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I rode through Davis,California Sunday and they have wide bike lanes, crossing buttons to trigger the stoplights for bicycles, bicycle overpasses, share the road signs, etc. Where were all the other bicycles? On the sidewalk. I love the idea of sharrows, but will it make a difference to the average cyclist?
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Originally Posted by scottmorrison99
I rode through Davis,California Sunday and they have wide bike lanes, crossing buttons to trigger the stoplights for bicycles, bicycle overpasses, share the road signs, etc. Where were all the other bicycles? On the sidewalk. I love the idea of sharrows, but will it make a difference to the average cyclist?
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i have never ridden in davis but i highly doubt their bike transit plan treats bicyclists like pedestrians in any significant % percents, hed.
so helmet head is FOR a transportation plan that includes sharrows as part of the velo accomodation network?
glad to see you being able to support bicycling infrastructure integrated with the existing roadway, helmet head. good on ya.
next topic, just to give hed a 'heads up'- we'll discuss the advantages an uphill 'passing lane' for bikes will have for bicyclists...
so helmet head is FOR a transportation plan that includes sharrows as part of the velo accomodation network?
glad to see you being able to support bicycling infrastructure integrated with the existing roadway, helmet head. good on ya.
next topic, just to give hed a 'heads up'- we'll discuss the advantages an uphill 'passing lane' for bikes will have for bicyclists...
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Originally Posted by scottmorrison99
I love the idea of sharrows, but will it make a difference to the average cyclist?
accomodation advantages extend even to roads without any special accoms. take the possibilities 10 "Bikes allowed use of full lane"signs, strategically placed, in a small town would have. even towns of under a thousand can have high speed choke points, and angry drivers. bike friendly accomodations like signage, sharrows and roadway striping that accomodates bikes in the traffic mix makes the difference.
in Portland, look at the recent reports in bike forums- biking trips have increased fivefold in the last decade. a vigorous transportation network that supports bicyclists makes the difference. Seattle, up %257 percent in the same time frame, i believe.
the network engineers and the roadway designers KNOW that the adage, "Build it, and they will ride." is increasingly true in more and more cities across the globe.
A vigorous transportation plan that fully supports bikes on road, on trail and intermodally, will make a difference.
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Sharrows appear to be the one on-street facility that we all support. As to where they are being tested, I have seen them in San Fransisco (alas, I didn't have my bike with me there). One big obstacle to putting them in is that they are not yet approved by the official federal road signage manual (someone can add the acronym, because I have forgotten it, MUT-something or another, I think). Some local transportation planners cannot depart from that manual for bureaucratic reasons.
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I think the only issue with sharrows is that they will need to be redone often as the constant wear from automobiles driving over them will wear away the paint quickly. Other than that, I can see no harm from adding them. I think they'd be a great addition to some of the high speed arterial roads around here.
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Hopefully they won't be painted in the parking lane like this one in St Lous:
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Sharrows appear to be the one on-street facility that we all support. As to where they are being tested, I have seen them in San Fransisco (alas, I didn't have my bike with me there).
I'm not aware of any plans to use or test sharrows here, so I won't get a chance to experience them for myself or speak with local users any time soon.
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Originally Posted by patc
Actually, I'm not sure that I support them! I'm not against them either, I just don't know what they contribute. The only place I have seen them they are (a) too close to the curb, and (b) so faded that you have to stand over one for a while to figure out what it is!
I'm not aware of any plans to use or test sharrows here, so I won't get a chance to experience them for myself or speak with local users any time soon.
I'm not aware of any plans to use or test sharrows here, so I won't get a chance to experience them for myself or speak with local users any time soon.