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Old 10-24-06, 10:58 AM
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Biker on Biker assault

Witnessed a biker on biker assault this morning. I was riding up the Capital Crescent Trail (Washington DC) this morning when a saw a fellow commuter approaching me. Then from behind him I saw two riders in racing gear swing out from behind him. The first rider pulls up along side, reaches out, and gives the commuter a hard shove with his hand.

This pushes the commuter off the trail and sends him sprawling down over a 6 foot embankment. I stopped and checked. Fortunately he was all right. Apparently there had been something going on that I hadn't seen, but to deliberately push someone over a 6 foot embankment is just out an out bullying.
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Originally Posted by Slow Train
Apparently there had been something going on that I hadn't seen, but to deliberately push someone over a 6 foot embankment is just out an out bullying.
What on earth had preceeded this? did the guy say?
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Police involved?
Were the racers in team kit?
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Originally Posted by Theakston
What on earth had preceeded this? did the guy say?
No doubt! There has to have been something that prompted this action.

We need to know more! (and why the shoved commuter didn't just grab the shover's arm and drag him down, too. That's what I would have done.)
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Originally Posted by Theakston
What on earth had preceeded this? did the guy say?
No he didn't but he called the guy that pushed him an a-**** when I asked if something had happened before the shoving so from that I assume something must have happened between them just prior to their coming into my view.

I ride this tail just about every weekday and I've seen several instances of "team" riders riding very aggressively and acting out on anyone who gets in the way.
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Originally Posted by cc_rider
Police involved?
Were the racers in team kit?
Honestly I was just enough shocked by the naked aggression to be unable to give a good description. The two were definitely riding together, had no obvious commuter accouterments, and appeared to be wearing very similar, if not identical, jerseys.

No police as the rider was unhurt and the 2 aggressors were hot footing it away.
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1
No doubt! There has to have been something that prompted this action.

We need to know more! (and why the shoved commuter didn't just grab the shover's arm and drag him down, too. That's what I would have done.)
I think the commuter was pretty much unaware that they were there. The shover came from behind and just quickly shoved him. Think about how many times someone passes you and that is the first that you were aware of them.
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Man, that is SO lame. Pushers and pushee are probably going to run into each other on the same path. What then?
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Old 10-24-06, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Slow Train
I ride this tail just about every weekday and I've seen several instances of "team" riders riding very aggressively and acting out on anyone who gets in the way.
Does this mean that us "normal" riders will have to start protecting ourselves with a little vigilante justice?
Could get nasty out there.

I've seen some thuggish behavior by some of the local teams. Deloite in particular. Been tempted to write to their local office about the behavior of people wearing their jersey.


Thanks for the heads-up, ST. I'll keep my eyes open (for a change) when I'm on the CCT, which will probably be this weekend, and on the other trails.

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Lots of people who are "pro athletes" behave as though the trail belongs to them. I witnessed a 'serious' runner on once who pushed a 10-or-so-year-old out of his path while both were using doing laps at a stadium track. When such people are in a car, they probably buzz and honk at cyclists.

Somebody needs to push them off a 600' cliff. >:-(
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I got buzzed by some idiot in a kit riding way too fast on a shared facility crowded with both cyclists and pedestrians last week. When I called him on it, he slowed down long enough to ask me whether I had problems controlling my bike.
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Originally Posted by randya
I got buzzed by some idiot in a kit riding way too fast on a shared facility crowded with both cyclists and pedestrians last week. When I called him on it, he slowed down long enough to ask me whether I had problems controlling my bike.
Bet you were tempted to give HIM a shove.
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Originally Posted by cc_rider
Bet you were tempted to give HIM a shove.
I just verbally called him on his bad behavior. But when he slowed down, I started to make plans for my ulock to appear in my hand.

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Originally Posted by Slow Train
to deliberately push someone over a 6 foot embankment is just out an out bullying.
No, it's not.

It's assault and battery.
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Originally Posted by randya
I got buzzed by some idiot in a kit riding way too fast on a shared facility crowded with both cyclists and pedestrians last week. When I called him on it, he slowed down long enough to ask me whether I had problems controlling my bike.
Do you think he'd whine if someone did that to him in a car?
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what a great thread title... I think someone should step up and write a book.... I would buy it
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what a great thread title... I think someone should step up and write a book.... I would buy it
Or even better - a video!
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Originally Posted by randya
I just verbally called him on his bad behavior. But when he slowed down, I started to make plans for my ulock to appear in my hand.


That's one thing that the racers and commuters don't have in common: possesion of a large hammer-like U-lock or larger chain.

But on another point that's sick, we all know our enemy is not each other, its the car.



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Originally Posted by Slow Train
I ride this tail just about every weekday and I've seen several instances of "team" riders riding very aggressively and acting out on anyone who gets in the way.
Sounds like it's time for pepper spray.

And a u-lock/chain combo in case they don't get the message and come back for seconds.
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Originally Posted by Slow Train
Honestly I was just enough shocked by the naked aggression to be unable to give a good description. The two were definitely riding together, had no obvious commuter accouterments, and appeared to be wearing very similar, if not identical, jerseys.

No police as the rider was unhurt and the 2 aggressors were hot footing it away.
Do you think you'd recognize these guys if you saw them again on the trail?
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If someone did that to me they had better be hella fast. I caught a car that threw a fast food drink at me once.,,,,BD



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And what happens then???
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Does it occur to you guys that the retaliation that you propose is as bad or worse than what this guy did and that you don't know what led up to this?
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I was only proposing what might happen if I was the victim of such bullying. Really, could anything that led up to this be justified with pushing someone off the road with possible serious permanent injury? BS!

Sure, unprovoked violence inevitably brings a stronger response. It's to teach the idiot not to do it again to others for no good reason. Pushing someone purposely off the road down a six foot embankment is grounds for a fistfight in my humble opinion. The instigator rarely sticks around though, because they're usually a bullying coward. I certainly don't give a damn about some roadie clique who feels like pushing people around and harrassing them for being in their perceived "way". That would mean they thought they owned the road, and yes they would be wrong. The state owns them.,,,,BD

The fast food drink throwers? Well lets just say they shouldn't have left the window down. My water bottle was half full. Yes with water, but don't think I wasn't tempted, lol.
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