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Old 12-19-06, 08:04 AM
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Sometimes we should let Darwinism rule!

I had the following experience on my commute home last night:

It was completely dark, my bike has several lights and reflectors. I was riding down a street which is usually one lane in each direction, approaching an intersection with a RTOL, and a red light. I was the first to arrive at the intersection and positioned myself in the centre of the through lane. While waiting, a car coming from the opposite direction came to the intersection with his left turn indicator blinking. There was a teenager riding a bike towards me, on the wrong (my) side of the street, and on the other side of the intersection. Teenager had no lights or reflectors on his bike, no helmet, and was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt. When the light turned green, the car in front of me tried to make his left turn in front of me, which would have resulted in his hitting the teen who was now riding through the intersection at full speed (he never intended to stop for the red) - I yelled "WATCH THE KID" and pointed at the ninja cyclist. Motor vehicle slammed on his brakes, I started to roll, and the teen looked at me, gave me the finger and yelled back "Mind your own f***ing business" - totally clueless that he just came close to becoming a hood ornament on an SUV.

When I related the story to my wife after I got home, she felt that we would be better off with teens like that removed from the gene pool before they got a chance to breed, and I should have just kept quiet.
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Old 12-19-06, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sauerwald
...I yelled "WATCH THE KID" and pointed at the ninja cyclist. Motor vehicle slammed on his brakes, I started to roll, and the teen looked at me, gave me the finger and yelled back "Mind your own f***ing business"
There was a day when I might have been that teenager. Keep up the good work.
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Old 12-19-06, 08:48 AM
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On my way to the bank last night, I made a turn off a narrow road onto another narrow road, probably going 15mph or so. It was almost 5pm and starting to get dark so I had my taillight and LED headlight on (not dark enough for the HID yet). I round the turn with a motorist following me and almost run smack into a wrong way cyclist riding in the right tire track of course with no headlight. I'm lucky I took the turn wide otherwise we definitely would have collided and he's really lucky I was on a bike and not in a car. He swerved off the road into the leaves upon seeing me and I politely informed him to ride with traffic. If it wasn't a busy intersection, I would have waited around and explained lights, etc. to him as well. Hopefully he made it to his destination safely.
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Old 12-19-06, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sauerwald
wearing a black hooded sweatshirt.
That seems to be the standard uniform for wrong-way cyclists.

I almost collided with one last night. I didn't see him until he was right in front of me. As if riding against traffic with no lights and wearing dark clothing was not dangerous enough, he decided to weave in and out of open spaces between parked cars. I suppose the next step would be to do all of the above while blindfolded.
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Old 12-19-06, 08:59 AM
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lets beat those little buggers down !!! then run them over with our bikes =) !!! YAY Merry Holidays !
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Old 12-19-06, 08:59 AM
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Uhhhh... This has got to be the most common kind of thread posted here. Lets see:
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/249695-stupid-non-lit-night-riders.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/236722-dark-helmet-no-lights-night.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/231547-i-almost-hit-cyclist.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/225647-situation-reversed-wrong-way-cyclist.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/222185-cyclists-i-observed-today-lesson-learned.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/182192-bike-users-no-lights.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/191589-observation-being-visible.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/161334-please-go-buy-some-lights.html
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https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/149518-almost-yelled-cyclist-morning.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/117036-first-un-lighted-cyclist.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/104301-mini-rant-mandatory-bike-lights.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/52429-why-no-lights.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/45034-many-bikers-seem-rude-clueless.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/45581-shadow-runner-no-hands-ninja.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/42196-serious-cyclists-should-know-better.html


Seriously though, "we would be better off with teens like that removed from the gene pool before they got a chance to breed"

Thats the same attitude many drivers have about cyclists in general. When a person without lights catches me off guard I actually follow them and offer them one of my cheap rear blinkies for free. Its about being postive and proactive.
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Originally Posted by chocula
I suppose the next step would be to do all of the above while blindfolded.

While riding a bike completely enclosed in a fridge/freezer/big screen TV cardboard box (spray painted matte black), on a country road during a new moon. David Blaine style...word..
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Old 12-19-06, 09:30 AM
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part of being young is being ignorant and inexperienced, but thinking you are wise and immortal.

you bunch of cranky grandpas.
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Old 12-19-06, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
Seriously though, "we would be better off with teens like that removed from the gene pool before they got a chance to breed"

Thats the same attitude many drivers have about cyclists in general. When a person without lights catches me off guard I actually follow them and offer them one of my cheap rear blinkies for free. Its about being postive and proactive.
I like this response. We have all run into Darwin Award candidates. But make a postive impact -it will last longer.
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Old 12-19-06, 09:40 AM
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^^^ask a few people around here and I'm one too^^^
I wonder what Darwin would have thought about the adrenaline junkie."
Originally Posted by Shiznaz
Its about being postive and proactive.
Flippin' sociopath...
What special brand of madness are you flaunting today?

All good at the bank Shizy?
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Old 12-19-06, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer
^^^ask a few people around here and I'm one too^^^
I wonder what Darwin would have thought about the adrenaline junkie."

Flippin' sociopath...
What special brand of madness are you flaunting today?

All good at the bank Shizy?
Firing more janitors today So I feel I have to project good vibes to balance it all out...

Those MEC turtle rear blinkies are so cheap I should just carry a hand full of them to distribute. They are pretty chintzy, but anything has got to be better than nothing. I have to admit though I am much more likely to offer you one of my rear blinkies when you don't have lights if you are a cute girl...
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You're not having to fire them are ya?

If you ARE a cute girl Shizy will not only install said turtle lights, he will gladly escort you... to make sure you get home safely of course. He's harmless AND has had all his shots.
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cranky grandpa comments do not apply to brethren from TO
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Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer
You're not having to fire them are ya?
We are promoting them all to 'safety advisors'

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Old 12-19-06, 09:51 AM
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BC to DC? That is about as diametrically opposed as you can get.
Are these Janitors Gone Bad TM? Or 'we hired cheaper outside firm, and we are letting you go just before the holidays despite our record profits'?
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Originally Posted by comradehoser
Location: between the Popeye's, the liquor store, the funeral home, and the strip club
I think I know exactly where that is. I'm just trying to picture where the strip club is.
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*rubs garlic on himself to keep lawyers away* Horrible.
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Originally Posted by DCCommuter
I think I know exactly where that is. I'm just trying to picture where the strip club is.
if you picked anywhere east of the park and outside of capitol hill but still in DC, ding ding ding you are a weiner. To be fair, the strip club makes it pretty specific.

BC to DC is a change, but not as much as BC to San Diego where I also lived for a long time. San Diego is like bizarro Vancouver--just replace the cedar and fir with eucalyptus and palm trees, and the rain with neverending sunnyness.

fordfasterrrrrrrr also does not qualify for cranky grandpa status
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
column 'B'. We didn't achieve record profits writing cheques after all. And yes, Merry Christmas, here's your pink slip.
I <3 capitalism
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I came close to running head-on into another guy on a bike last week. Dark street, dark clothes, dark bike. There were two cars behind me, two cars coming from the opposite direction. I caught his silhouette in the headlamps behind him. He had to dart into the other lane to avoid getting creamed by me and the cars behind me, causing the other cars in the other lane to slam on their brakes.

But, I see it almost every night on the way home. Though it is a state law and a town ordinance to have at least a front headlamp, the police don't enforce it.

Honestly, I'm the only bike in town with a headlamp and a tail lamp.
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Alright, let me preface this by stating that I object to Darwin being referenced in these circumstances, but:

Tonight, well after dark, I saw TWO guys, BOTH wearing dark hooded sweaters on ONE bike with no lights and reflectors (one guy was riding on the handlebars) speeding along the road.

It then occured to me that the bike seemed to be going pretty fast under the circumstances, and then I realized it had been fitted with some kind of GASOLINE ENGINE.

I'm not saying anything.
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As a cycling advocate (and human) it is in our best interests that these cyclists correct their unsafe behavior and do not get killed or hurt.

1. It makes all cyclists look bad.
2. Any death or injury adds to the statistic that can be used to support the incorrect conclusion that cycling is dangerous. Conclusions like this can be fodder for anti-cycling behavior and laws as well as hindering others to take up cycling.

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Originally Posted by comradehoser
BC to DC is a change, but not as much as BC to San Diego where I also lived for a long time. San Diego is like bizarro Vancouver--just replace the cedar and fir with eucalyptus and palm trees, and the rain with neverending sunnyness.
More like just replace the broken timber and ripped up rootballs with eucalyptus and palm trees.
Have you seen pictures of poor Stanley Park??
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
As a cycling advocate (and human) it is in our best interests that these cyclists correct their unsafe behavior and do not get killed or hurt.

1. It makes all cyclists look bad.
2. Any death or injury adds to the statistic that can be used to support the incorrect conclusion that cycling is dangerous. Conclusions like this can be fodder for anti-cycling behavior and laws as well as hindering others to take up cycling.

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I would add:

3. It makes the rest of us less predictable. The more cyclists out there that are doing wrong things the less drivers will expect us to do the right thing.
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