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I was sitting in a parking lot waiting for my daughter to get out of her dance class. The parking lot is by a high school. Two teenage girls were walking home side by side. Each were talking on their cell phones. I first thought... how sad when they could be talking to each other. Then I thought.... oh no, what if they were? 
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I carry a cellphone when I ride. It's an insurance policy more than anything else.
The other day I saw a guy driving a pickup. He was holding a cellphone against his ear with his shoulder. He was writing a note on the center of the steering column. He was steering with his elbows. He scared the hell out of me.
Koffee's post about the woman who died on the L tracks is a sad reminder of just how distracting cellphones are. Everybody needs to hang up and drive.
I, too, get annoyed at seeing people in restaurants and stores yakking on the phone. It's just middle-aged grumpiness on my part. It doesn't hurt me in any way...it just annoys me. I really hate hearing a phone ring in a theater however. That is just rude.
Good news, Trollie! They are doing terrific things with miniaturization of electronics. This little Buddhist monk sits on my desk and he has a cellphone. Maybe you could get one like his and then everything will be Zen.
Edit: miniAturization! I kin spel gud!
The other day I saw a guy driving a pickup. He was holding a cellphone against his ear with his shoulder. He was writing a note on the center of the steering column. He was steering with his elbows. He scared the hell out of me.
Koffee's post about the woman who died on the L tracks is a sad reminder of just how distracting cellphones are. Everybody needs to hang up and drive.
I, too, get annoyed at seeing people in restaurants and stores yakking on the phone. It's just middle-aged grumpiness on my part. It doesn't hurt me in any way...it just annoys me. I really hate hearing a phone ring in a theater however. That is just rude.
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I can't carry a cellphone. It would be almost as big as I am (if you didn't count my hair)!
I can't carry a cellphone. It would be almost as big as I am (if you didn't count my hair)!
Edit: miniAturization! I kin spel gud!
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Originally posted by RegularGuy
Good news, Trollie! They are doing terrific things with miniturization of electronics.
Good news, Trollie! They are doing terrific things with miniturization of electronics.
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Originally posted by Jeepbikerun
Two teenage girls were walking home side by side. Each were talking on their cell phones. I first thought... how sad when they could be talking to each other. Then I thought.... oh no, what if they were?
Two teenage girls were walking home side by side. Each were talking on their cell phones. I first thought... how sad when they could be talking to each other. Then I thought.... oh no, what if they were?
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I think the Germans have it right - It's against the law to eat, drink, talk on the phone and perhaps even to smoke, while driving. Granted their highway speeds are up there, but they realize that you can't do all these things and be expected to keep your giant go-cart on the road.
I'm starting to see walkers, roller bladers and yes even bikers talking on cell phones and it's just as bad. There off in some other mental planet, wondering all over the path as I come up on them praying for my life... All I can do is jack on the brakes and yell - "On your left" and hope they catch a clue before they catch my tire in the rear...
I'm starting to see walkers, roller bladers and yes even bikers talking on cell phones and it's just as bad. There off in some other mental planet, wondering all over the path as I come up on them praying for my life... All I can do is jack on the brakes and yell - "On your left" and hope they catch a clue before they catch my tire in the rear...
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what does this have to do with cell phones??
Originally posted by Koffee Brown
Here's the news story about the woman who died in Chicago yesterday:
Woman dies in `L' tracks fall
60,000 commuters affected as CTA shuffles trains
Death on the Loop (Tribune photo by Charles Osgood)
June 19, 2003
By Gayle Worland and Grace Aduroja
Tribune staff reporters
Published June 20, 2003
A woman was killed after falling onto the tracks and into the path of a CTA Brown Line train Thursday afternoon at the State and Lake stop, halting service to one of the busiest elevated routes and affecting an estimated 60,000 rush hour commuters.
Circumstances surrounding the death of Ethel Moore, 77, of Bellwood, were still under investigation by Harrison Area police, officials said.
"Preliminary indications show it was an accident," said Sheila Gregory, a CTA spokeswoman. The woman appeared to have been adjusting a handbag on her shoulder when she lost her balance and fell from the "L" platform, Gregory said.
Firefighters undertook a complex and painstaking 2 1/2-hour effort to lift the wheels of the 30-ton train off the woman's body.
Officials had to assure that power in the electric train lines was completely shut down before firefighters could climb onto the tracks, officials said. The train was alternately lifted and set down several times during the recovery process using 20-ton jacks, air bags and wood shoring.
Recovery workers had the added challenge of working on elevated tracks and shielding the "terrible scene" from crowds of onlookers below, said Deputy District Chief Patrick Brennan.
"It was a very difficult extrication," said Battalion Chief Richard Dory.
Passengers were evacuated from the train immediately following the 4:20 p.m. accident and power was shut down on the elevated train between the State and Lake and Clark and Lake elevated train stops. Bus shuttles set up by the CTA transported the stranded Brown, Purple, Orange and Green Line passengers at the stop to other points on the "L" that were still operating.
Normal service was restored by 8 p.m.
Some 60,000 of the 100,000 commuters who use CTA rail lines at that hour were probably affected by the power shutdown, Gregory said.
One witness interviewed by police, Kathy Rivera of Melrose Park, told reporters she was walking along the "L" platform behind the victim when the woman apparently lost her balance. The woman had a hand up to the side of her head, as if she might have been talking on a cell phone, Rivera said.
Police investigators said no cell phone was found, and other witnesses indicated the woman was adjusting a shoulder purse or bag.
Rivera said the woman was walking at an angle toward the edge of the platform as the train was approaching. "I don't think she was trying to hurt herself," said Rivera. "I think she lost her balance."
Rivera, a concession stand manager at both Wrigley Field and U.S. Cellular Field, was waiting to catch a Green Line train when the accident occurred.
Southbound auto traffic on State Street was halted and northbound traffic was limited to a few cars and buses as a dozen emergency vehicles clustered in the area of the "L" station.
The woman was seen slipping off the platform by the train's operator, who alerted the CTA control center, Gregory said.
"The reports are that the rail operator saw the woman fall, and it was too late. There was nothing he could do," she said. The train, coming to a normal stop at the station, was traveling at about 5 m.p.h, she said.
During the recovery effort, the lead car of the six-car train was mostly obscured from view from the street by metal railings and a metal awning above the staircase that leads to the platform.
"It was just a very, very tragic accident," Gregory said.
Here's the news story about the woman who died in Chicago yesterday:
Woman dies in `L' tracks fall
60,000 commuters affected as CTA shuffles trains
Death on the Loop (Tribune photo by Charles Osgood)
June 19, 2003
By Gayle Worland and Grace Aduroja
Tribune staff reporters
Published June 20, 2003
A woman was killed after falling onto the tracks and into the path of a CTA Brown Line train Thursday afternoon at the State and Lake stop, halting service to one of the busiest elevated routes and affecting an estimated 60,000 rush hour commuters.
Circumstances surrounding the death of Ethel Moore, 77, of Bellwood, were still under investigation by Harrison Area police, officials said.
"Preliminary indications show it was an accident," said Sheila Gregory, a CTA spokeswoman. The woman appeared to have been adjusting a handbag on her shoulder when she lost her balance and fell from the "L" platform, Gregory said.
Firefighters undertook a complex and painstaking 2 1/2-hour effort to lift the wheels of the 30-ton train off the woman's body.
Officials had to assure that power in the electric train lines was completely shut down before firefighters could climb onto the tracks, officials said. The train was alternately lifted and set down several times during the recovery process using 20-ton jacks, air bags and wood shoring.
Recovery workers had the added challenge of working on elevated tracks and shielding the "terrible scene" from crowds of onlookers below, said Deputy District Chief Patrick Brennan.
"It was a very difficult extrication," said Battalion Chief Richard Dory.
Passengers were evacuated from the train immediately following the 4:20 p.m. accident and power was shut down on the elevated train between the State and Lake and Clark and Lake elevated train stops. Bus shuttles set up by the CTA transported the stranded Brown, Purple, Orange and Green Line passengers at the stop to other points on the "L" that were still operating.
Normal service was restored by 8 p.m.
Some 60,000 of the 100,000 commuters who use CTA rail lines at that hour were probably affected by the power shutdown, Gregory said.
One witness interviewed by police, Kathy Rivera of Melrose Park, told reporters she was walking along the "L" platform behind the victim when the woman apparently lost her balance. The woman had a hand up to the side of her head, as if she might have been talking on a cell phone, Rivera said.
Police investigators said no cell phone was found, and other witnesses indicated the woman was adjusting a shoulder purse or bag.
Rivera said the woman was walking at an angle toward the edge of the platform as the train was approaching. "I don't think she was trying to hurt herself," said Rivera. "I think she lost her balance."
Rivera, a concession stand manager at both Wrigley Field and U.S. Cellular Field, was waiting to catch a Green Line train when the accident occurred.
Southbound auto traffic on State Street was halted and northbound traffic was limited to a few cars and buses as a dozen emergency vehicles clustered in the area of the "L" station.
The woman was seen slipping off the platform by the train's operator, who alerted the CTA control center, Gregory said.
"The reports are that the rail operator saw the woman fall, and it was too late. There was nothing he could do," she said. The train, coming to a normal stop at the station, was traveling at about 5 m.p.h, she said.
During the recovery effort, the lead car of the six-car train was mostly obscured from view from the street by metal railings and a metal awning above the staircase that leads to the platform.
"It was just a very, very tragic accident," Gregory said.
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what does this have to do with cell phones??
With such a messy extraction, plus the fact that the tracks were right over a major intersection, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't find a cell phone.
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I have a hard enough time paying attention when I am driving, I think if I had a cellphone I'd probably crash.
As a matter of fact, I broke up with my last girlfriend because she talked on her cellphone entirely too much (and we weren't getting along much, but the cellphone was also really effin' galling). Like she'd talk on it when she was driving (with me in the car), when we were shopping (with me next to her), even when we were watching movies or eating dinner. I dunno about the rest of you but personally, I find it upsetting to be placed second to a cellphone and I won't spend my time around someone like that.
As a matter of fact, I broke up with my last girlfriend because she talked on her cellphone entirely too much (and we weren't getting along much, but the cellphone was also really effin' galling). Like she'd talk on it when she was driving (with me in the car), when we were shopping (with me next to her), even when we were watching movies or eating dinner. I dunno about the rest of you but personally, I find it upsetting to be placed second to a cellphone and I won't spend my time around someone like that.
06-20-03, 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Justen
I agree..the hands free kit is just as bad. It is still a distraction. It's weird, now you see people walking around on the street looking at first like they are having a really animated conversation with themselves until you see the headsets.
I agree..the hands free kit is just as bad. It is still a distraction. It's weird, now you see people walking around on the street looking at first like they are having a really animated conversation with themselves until you see the headsets.
Originally posted by RegularGuy
The other day I saw a guy driving a pickup. He was holding a cellphone against his ear with his shoulder. He was writing a note on the center of the steering column. He was steering with his elbows. He scared the hell out of me.
The other day I saw a guy driving a pickup. He was holding a cellphone against his ear with his shoulder. He was writing a note on the center of the steering column. He was steering with his elbows. He scared the hell out of me.
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I don't think passengers talking on cell phones on a bus is a safety problem but it IS annoying. Most people have totally idiotic, moronic conversations, especially dumb teenagers who yammer and want everyone to hear how cool they are. I could care less about your life, shut up! Most of them aren't talking about anything important, they're just bored and heaven forbid they just just sit, and perhaps THINK, or even READ?
But around here, all you see are people blabbing on phones and driving SUV's, while barely acknowledging stop signs. I often think, there is a potential accident involving some cyclist or pedestrian because of this shmuck!
But around here, all you see are people blabbing on phones and driving SUV's, while barely acknowledging stop signs. I often think, there is a potential accident involving some cyclist or pedestrian because of this shmuck!
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06-20-03, 06:45 PM
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Just one other thing, why do we refer to these situations as "accidents"? In my post above I referred to a commonly used phrase - "accident waiting to happen". The thing is, accidents don't wait to happen. In my view, if someone is allowing circumstances to prevail by which one of these "accidents" is likely to happen, it's no accident at all. It is merely the inevitable result of stupidity.
Now just imagine the effect on people's behaviour if news bulletins the world over stopped reporting on "accidents" and started reporting on "inevitable results of stupidity".
Now just imagine the effect on people's behaviour if news bulletins the world over stopped reporting on "accidents" and started reporting on "inevitable results of stupidity".
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Originally posted by Chris L
Now just imagine the effect on people's behaviour if news bulletins the world over stopped reporting on "accidents" and started reporting on "inevitable results of stupidity".
Now just imagine the effect on people's behaviour if news bulletins the world over stopped reporting on "accidents" and started reporting on "inevitable results of stupidity".
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Society is awash with gadgets that weed out the irresponsible (Darwin Awards anybody?), but also take out innocent bystanders: crotch rockets (high performance motorcycles) for twenty somethings, rice rods for the most fastest and furious high schoolers, and cell phones for the self-absorbed. I was going to mention steroids that sterilize body-builders, but 'roids don't cause the same collateral carnage as an out of control motorcycle/street-rod/soccer-mom-in-an-SUV. As long as somebody's making money selling these things there will be somebody paying off, er um, lobbying our lawmakers to make only token attempts at holding users responsible for the consequences of their actions.
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Originally posted by greg360
Society is awash with gadgets that weed out the irresponsible (Darwin Awards anybody?), but also take out innocent bystanders
Society is awash with gadgets that weed out the irresponsible (Darwin Awards anybody?), but also take out innocent bystanders
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06-25-03, 12:12 AM
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We have riders in our Sat morning pack ride which usually consists of 100+ riders who from time to time answer their cell phones. If a guy in from of me picks up his phone, I'm outta there. Over the years, we've had a few nasty crashes because of this. I carry a cell phone but would never use it while riding in a pack.
06-25-03, 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by dumpstervegan
As a matter of fact, I broke up with my last girlfriend because she talked on her cellphone entirely too much (and we weren't getting along much, but the cellphone was also really effin' galling). Like she'd talk on it when she was driving (with me in the car), when we were shopping (with me next to her), even when we were watching movies or eating dinner. someone like that.
As a matter of fact, I broke up with my last girlfriend because she talked on her cellphone entirely too much (and we weren't getting along much, but the cellphone was also really effin' galling). Like she'd talk on it when she was driving (with me in the car), when we were shopping (with me next to her), even when we were watching movies or eating dinner. someone like that.
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Originally posted by dumpstervegan
As a matter of fact, I broke up with my last girlfriend because she talked on her cellphone entirely too much (and we weren't getting along much, but the cellphone was also really effin' galling).
As a matter of fact, I broke up with my last girlfriend because she talked on her cellphone entirely too much (and we weren't getting along much, but the cellphone was also really effin' galling).
After this happened 3 or 4 times in one meal, I simply put on my jacket, paid the waitress for my meal and walked out. She stood there looking stunned....
I won't go for meals or to a movie or whatever with somebody who refuses to turn off their cellphone during that time.
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I only use my cell phone for work related issues. If I didn't need it , I would not have it. For the longest time I did without it, but I was tired of getting out of the car and fishing for quarters (when it was still a quarter) every time I got paged for work. The last time I did that I was driving from Grady Hospital on Dekalb Ave. and had to use a public phone in the middle of a pretty seedy place at about 10:00 pm. I finally bit the bullet and bought one.
I carry a cell phone while mountain biking since I do that alone quite often.
I would never hang out with anybody that gabs on a cell phone in my company.
I've had patients answer their cell phone in the middle of a physical exam over non emergent issues. One woman was in the middle of a pap smear!!! (One phone call concerned a lunch and another I recall was to pick up a suit at the dry cleaners.) At that point I leave and see the next patient and let them wait for me to return (up to half an hour) since I feel the other patient that was waiting for me is worthy of my time and consideration. I feel I have been told their 5 minute phone call over meeting for lunch is more important than their illness and my attempts to communicate with them and help solve their problem. I have only answered my own pages when it is an emergency and not my husband checking in on me.
I carry a cell phone while mountain biking since I do that alone quite often.
I would never hang out with anybody that gabs on a cell phone in my company.
I've had patients answer their cell phone in the middle of a physical exam over non emergent issues. One woman was in the middle of a pap smear!!! (One phone call concerned a lunch and another I recall was to pick up a suit at the dry cleaners.) At that point I leave and see the next patient and let them wait for me to return (up to half an hour) since I feel the other patient that was waiting for me is worthy of my time and consideration. I feel I have been told their 5 minute phone call over meeting for lunch is more important than their illness and my attempts to communicate with them and help solve their problem. I have only answered my own pages when it is an emergency and not my husband checking in on me.
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Originally posted by Koffee Brown
A little off the topic, but not really-
I just finished watching a Chicago news report- a woman was waiting for the train on the platform at State and Lake waiting for the Brown line train, when she apparently got distracted from talking on her cellphone and walked right off the platform just as the train was pulling up. She died under the train, despite the efforts of 25 firemen and many police vehicles. Do you think that woman's phone call was THAT important now?
Sad...
A little off the topic, but not really-
I just finished watching a Chicago news report- a woman was waiting for the train on the platform at State and Lake waiting for the Brown line train, when she apparently got distracted from talking on her cellphone and walked right off the platform just as the train was pulling up. She died under the train, despite the efforts of 25 firemen and many police vehicles. Do you think that woman's phone call was THAT important now?
Sad...
People have to stop thinking that others cannot manage without their input for a 10 minute walk, a trip to the grocery store or a meal at a restaurant etc.
I have no problem getting away from the ringing of a phone....that's why I leave the office !
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Originally posted by Natophelia
That was just dangerous, but I can't for the life of me think of any logical reason that someone talking on a cell phone in an open public place, on a bus, places where they aren't interacting with anyone else or making them wait for their conversation to be finished could possibly be any of my business.
That was just dangerous, but I can't for the life of me think of any logical reason that someone talking on a cell phone in an open public place, on a bus, places where they aren't interacting with anyone else or making them wait for their conversation to be finished could possibly be any of my business.
So it does become my business because they have chosen to be rude and inconsiderate and not only have they distracted the driver, but they have shown disregard for other passengers.
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Originally posted by cbhungry
I carry a cell phone while mountain biking since I do that alone quite often.
I would never hang out with anybody that gabs on a cell phone in my company.
I've had patients answer their cell phone in the middle of a physical exam over non emergent issues. One woman was in the middle of a pap smear!!! (One phone call concerned a lunch and another I recall was to pick up a suit at the dry cleaners.) At that point I leave and see the next patient and let them wait for me to return (up to half an hour) since I feel the other patient that was waiting for me is worthy of my time and consideration.
I carry a cell phone while mountain biking since I do that alone quite often.
I would never hang out with anybody that gabs on a cell phone in my company.
I've had patients answer their cell phone in the middle of a physical exam over non emergent issues. One woman was in the middle of a pap smear!!! (One phone call concerned a lunch and another I recall was to pick up a suit at the dry cleaners.) At that point I leave and see the next patient and let them wait for me to return (up to half an hour) since I feel the other patient that was waiting for me is worthy of my time and consideration.
I actually think that is insulting and just plain weird.
The last thing I want to do during a pap smear is talk on the phone. "Well, I'm just lying here having my pap smear done now but do you want to meet for lunch? " It just seems like such a bizzarre conversation to have.
I think it's cool that you leave them and go to the next patient. Again, this is an example of absolute disregard (on the cell phone users part) for another person's time and presence. It's insulting.
I do agree that it is a good idea to have a cell phone for emergency or safety purposes.
I have fairly severe asthma and have had to use my cell phone to summon the paramedics on more than one occasion. Before I got it, other people would call for me. Also, I often go for my morning bike rides alone and since there are relatively few people around, I feel safer knowing I have a cell phone should I need assistance - either for my asthma or for personal safety reasons.
Other than that, I don't use it for anything else. I don't give out the number because it is turned off 99 % of the time so I just carry around a few quarters should I need to make a call.
I honestly like the freedom of being able to walk around without having people try to contact me with work related stuff.
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Originally posted by Natophelia
Nope, I didn't
Nope, I didn't
It is not my business what they are talking about but when they are talking so loudly that they are distracting the driver and disturbing other passengers, I find it inconsiderate.
Justen
