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Old 06-29-07, 09:44 AM
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Do you run stoplights?

I usually go up to a stoplight, look and if nobody is coming I run it. I know a lot of other bikers do it too. It is technically illegal right? I've even done it right in front of cops (unknowingly, usually I wait if I see one) but they haven't stopped me, so maybe its just not enforced. Stop signs I usually roll through if no one is their just as I would in a car.
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Old 06-29-07, 09:49 AM
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I don't run reds. I wait for the green. Good trackstand practice.
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Old 06-29-07, 09:49 AM
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No I don't, but I did almost run over a biker who was running a light, while I was drivng my car. He stopped hard and fell over when he didn't unclip. He said " I looked and didn't see anybody coming"
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No here too. Our local bike/ped discussion group is talking about this subject right now too. I didn't know this until a few days ago, but Idaho has a law on the books effectively allowing cyclists to treat stop signs as yields and red lights as stop signs.

NC has no such law, just fyi.
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Old 06-29-07, 09:56 AM
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Only once in awhile on a Sunday morning at 7:00a when there is no traffic. 98% of the time I stop, now stop signs, that is another story.
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Old 06-29-07, 10:00 AM
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I've done it I think twice. I have seen lots of cyclists do it at this one intersection along my route. Usually no, though. I run stop SIGNS if there's no traffic.
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Old 06-29-07, 10:12 AM
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I pretend to stop at all stop signs. The optics are good enough that I was unticketed when I pretended to stop directly in front of a cop doing a stopsign blitz this morning. The car behind me was dinged.

I find creative ways around red lights if delay is excessive, but I never *run* them really.
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Old 06-29-07, 10:15 AM
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I stop or slow way down, make sure the coast is clear, then go. Much like we legally do when we "right turn on red after stop."
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I don't. Rights and responsibilities.

If I need the light to cross, and it's obviously not triggering for me, then I'll go.
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Old 06-29-07, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by n8tron
I usually go up to a stoplight, look and if nobody is coming I run it. I know a lot of other bikers do it too. It is technically illegal right? I've even done it right in front of cops (unknowingly, usually I wait if I see one) but they haven't stopped me, so maybe its just not enforced. Stop signs I usually roll through if no one is their just as I would in a car.
Do you do it in a car?
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Old 06-29-07, 10:52 AM
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No.
Just last week a cyclist ran the red light from the x-street as I was making a left turn into same x-street. We nearly collided, I made a last second swerve to cut behind them.
I saw them approaching and slowing for the red light. I didn't expect them to continue and had put focus on potential oncoming traffic - they apparently expected me to wait even though there was no oncoming traffic for me to wait for or didn't 'see' me as they were looking for motor vehicles. While cycling I encounter more close calls with cyclists than with motorists running lights.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Underbridge
Do you do it in a car?
I did stop and go's at no less than 10 red lights on my way to work this morning.
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Old 06-29-07, 10:56 AM
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I stop and look ... if it is a big intersection on a busy road, I'll wait, no matter what. If it is on a country road, and have a clean view, and I am sure there is nothing coming, I'll roll through.

I was riding behind a friend, some years ago, and he blew through an intersection ... POW!! Bounced off the windshield and onto the sidewalk before my eyes ... luckily, all he had were some stitches and a mild concussion. I even slow down and look when I have the right-of-way at an intersection.
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Old 06-29-07, 10:59 AM
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Red means 'stop if you feel like it', so do what you want, everyone else does, just don't complain when some driver does it and tags you.

I swear too many cyclists are no different than the drivers they gripe about...impatient, rude and incompetent.
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I drive my bike the same way I drive my car.... under the speed limit, and stopping for all red lights...
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Old 06-29-07, 11:19 AM
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I said I would never go through red lights. Then, one day, I went through two red lights after stopping and waiting for about 15 seconds. It felt really weird so I don't do it anymore.
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Old 06-29-07, 11:23 AM
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I stop at all red lights. The only time I will run a light is if there is no traffic at all and I am stopped at a light that is actuated by sensors in the pavement that my bike will not activate. Nothing irritates other road users more than running stoplights. Everyone (motorists included) only make rolling stops at stopsigns but a traffic light is another thing entirely. In May, I got clobbered by a joker running a red on another bike who was too damned lazy to apply his brakes.
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Old 06-29-07, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by chipcom
Red means 'stop if you feel like it', so do what you want, everyone else does, just don't complain when some driver does it and tags you.

I swear too many cyclists are no different than the drivers they gripe about...impatient, rude and incompetent.
I agree that most drivers and cyclists are equally indifferent of the law.

But in response to your first comment, "breaking the HTA" and "breaking the HTA and killing or maiming someone as a direct result" are not comparable offences. It might be the only difference is dumb luck, but not in the courtroom, and I think a 'right to complain' is the least of the things that are warranted.
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Originally Posted by CaptainCool
I don't. Rights and responsibilities.
well said.

No way.
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Old 06-29-07, 12:12 PM
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Stop at stop lights.
Stop or rolling stop at signs.
Never blow thru at full speed.
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Old 06-29-07, 12:19 PM
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I only proceed after stopping at a red if I have given the signal plenty of time to cycle and am convinced that the signal sensor cannot detect me and no other drivers are around to trip it. In this case I treat it as a stop sign.

I don't assume that the signal is insensitive each time I return to the intersection. I've seen a number of insensitive sensors that have been readjusted to detect me. I always wait and give it a generous chance.
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Old 06-29-07, 12:38 PM
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I ignore all intersection control devices and only go when it is safe and when doing so, I do not interfere at all with other traffic.

So, when I approach an interesction and the light for me is red, I look, if there is no traffic, I proceed without stopping.

Likewise, when I approach an intersection and the light for me is green, but there is traffic, I will very carefully guage the traffic and make sure I position myself so that no left turning or right turning traffic can hit me, and slow down or stop to avoid getting myself in a dangerous situation.
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I think it's time for the joke again.

Two guys riding in a car. They approach a red light and the driver goes right thru without slowing down. The passenger thinks, "Maybe he didn't see it", and doesn't say anything.

They approach another red light and again go right thru. The passenger says, "Hey, you went right through that red light."

"My brother drives like this all the time", the driver says.

Now they approach a green light, and the driver slows and stops in front of it. "What are you doing?" asks the passenger. "The light's green!"

"My brother might be coming the other way."
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I almost always stop. The once or twice I ran it was when I just couldn't trip the sensor on the road.
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Originally Posted by Hoshnasi
I almost always stop. The once or twice I ran it was when I just couldn't trip the sensor on the road.
the other day i was on a 2-lane street and approached a 4-lane busy state route; there was a light and i had the red.

i was first to the light, and did not trip the sensor. very aggravating to wait through to the next time around, when i got a green (either due to light programming or the car that pulled up and turned right from next to me, i don't know).

in some places there are laws that state you can proceed after x number of cycles if you don't get a green due to a sensor not sensing you. i've heard even motorcycles can experience this. i don't know CT laws on this one. in any case, no way i was going to cross that particular road with a red.

i generally obey lights, and even make a show of stopping at some stop signs; as has been stated, a good chance to do a track stand.
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