Bikelane Less in Seattle
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Originally Posted by griggsaks
(Post 4971583)
For more information about Seattle's Bike Master Plan click here!
The city is once again not living up to expectations If you are in Seattle, are available and agree with bike jamming the roads please go on this ride! Aug 01 2007 Meet @ Gasworks park 4:30 Are you for or against the master bike program and what are your reasons either way? |
I completely and totally fail to see what short OR long-term good any critical-mass type rides ever accomplish, other than inflame the tempers of those who are inconvenienced by the riders getting in everybody's way. Seriously, how are "road-clogging" rides any way to get a municipal government to do you any favors? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by markhr
(Post 4972091)
what's the point of this post please?
Are you for or against the master bike program and what are your reasons either way? |
Originally Posted by ryanspeer
(Post 4972233)
I completely and totally fail to see what short OR long-term good any critical-mass type rides ever accomplish, other than inflame the tempers of those who are inconvenienced by the riders getting in everybody's way. Seriously, how are "road-clogging" rides any way to get a municipal government to do you any favors? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by griggsaks
(Post 4973208)
The point of this post is just to give information about a upcoming ride to promote bike awarness. I am for the Master Bike Plan, however it is not being followed.
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Originally Posted by ryanspeer
(Post 4973228)
And being socially disruptive promotes bike awareness in a redeeming way . . . how, pray tell? :rolleyes:
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I don't live in Seattle so maybe I don't read the gov reports the same way, but the link looks to me like it's a finding by the DOT that there is no adverse impact from the plan and therefore no need to do a full environmental impact study. I don't see anything in the linked page or the determination .pdf about not following the plan or anything like that, just that it won't be bad for the environment, which I would expect. If I'm missing something, sorry.
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Originally Posted by griggsaks
(Post 4971583)
If you are in Seattle, are available and agree with bike jamming the roads please go on this ride!
Originally Posted by griggsaks
(Post 4973217)
... Their are plenty of threads available and active about the advantages and disadvantages of as you call it "road-clogging" :rolleyes:
You rolleyes the term "road-clogging," yet you said, "bike jamming the roads." What's the difference there? I have a great idea... lets piss off everybody on the road instead of acting like mature adults. Maybe you and all of your buddies should write, call, email, etc. your city and state officials and give them reasons why they should continue with the plan; show support like an adult. ****ing hippies. |
Originally Posted by pirate golf
(Post 4973383)
I don't get it...
You rolleyes the term "road-clogging," yet you said, "bike jamming the roads." What's the difference there? I have a great idea... lets piss off everybody on the road instead of acting like mature adults. Maybe you and all of your buddies should write, call, email, etc. your city and state officials and give them reasons why they should continue with the plan; show support like an adult. ****ing hippies. |
Originally Posted by joelpalmer
(Post 4973317)
I don't live in Seattle so maybe I don't read the gov reports the same way, but the link looks to me like it's a finding by the DOT that there is no adverse impact from the plan and therefore no need to do a full environmental impact study. I don't see anything in the linked page or the determination .pdf about not following the plan or anything like that, just that it won't be bad for the environment, which I would expect. If I'm missing something, sorry.
SEPA Checklist and Determination of Nonsignificance Also check out www.seattlelikesbikes.org for more information about this ride! |
Seems SEPA follows the general pattern of environmental review established initially by the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969. Many departments have a formal screening process to document that they looked at the potential for environmental impacts. This is part of such a process. Where potential for significant environmental impacts exist, the cognizant agency would be responsible for preparing a full blown assessment of probable impacts for a range of possible actions, including taking no action.
I would tend to think that a reasonable expectation would be that the city comply with applicable laws concerning environmental review. The page referenced and the determination of nonsignificance appear to reflect compliance. Thus the original poster seems quite off base. |
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