Cyclist yeild to cars..not the othe other way around
09-17-07, 09:02 AM
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09-17-07, 06:35 PM
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I have to conclude that the OP's riding environment is very flat, straight and without intersections (we already know it's rural and very lightly traveled). That's the only geography where his philosophy is possibly survivable IMO.
Put any number of bends, curves and gentle hills in there (read: sightlines of a lot less than 1/4mi...more like 50-75') and substitute either curbs or 2' downslopes into drainage ditches for nice, wide shoulders and his thesis - as well as person - would be quickly squashed by about Opposing Vehicle #2 or #3.
Put any number of bends, curves and gentle hills in there (read: sightlines of a lot less than 1/4mi...more like 50-75') and substitute either curbs or 2' downslopes into drainage ditches for nice, wide shoulders and his thesis - as well as person - would be quickly squashed by about Opposing Vehicle #2 or #3.
But to ride like i do you have to be more aware of potential dangers and if you do not also drive
09-17-07, 06:48 PM
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It's a common collision. Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it won't, or doesn't happen
09-17-07, 06:51 PM
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The real danger of riding against traffic is at intersections or sidewalk crossings.
Drivers tend to look left at oncoming traffic, right for peds (I know, it's a stretch!), then left again before pulling out.
In limited visibility, a cyclist at speed will be right in front of the car when it takes off into traffic.
Drivers tend to look left at oncoming traffic, right for peds (I know, it's a stretch!), then left again before pulling out.
In limited visibility, a cyclist at speed will be right in front of the car when it takes off into traffic.
You and almost everyone else argues in terms of drivers not seeing me..i don't really care if they do or don't because I SEE THEM and i will change my course or speed according to each and every situation..I am myself a driver for 40 yrs..if a cyclist does not also drive he/she would not last very long riding the way i do.
09-17-07, 06:58 PM
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FaceThem,
Your fear of overtaking traffic has caused you to adopt a more dangerous riding position.
Do you actually have more room to maneuver? More time to react?
Face it, Face Them, no experienced cyclist (or driver) rides like you do.
Your fear of overtaking traffic has caused you to adopt a more dangerous riding position.
Do you actually have more room to maneuver? More time to react?
Face it, Face Them, no experienced cyclist (or driver) rides like you do.
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09-17-07, 07:01 PM
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I'll feed the troll.
So, you're going down the road on the wrong side. You come to an intersection. There's a car to the left about to make a right turn into your path. When people make right turns, they don't look to the right. They're looking for traffic on the left because the right doesn't matter. You're not crossing any lanes. And that my friend, is the scenario of the last moment of your life. Enjoy.
So, you're going down the road on the wrong side. You come to an intersection. There's a car to the left about to make a right turn into your path. When people make right turns, they don't look to the right. They're looking for traffic on the left because the right doesn't matter. You're not crossing any lanes. And that my friend, is the scenario of the last moment of your life. Enjoy.
You and almost everyone else argues in terms of the drivers not seeing me..i don't really care if they do or don't because I SEE THEM and i will change my course according to each and every situation..I am myself a driver for 40 yrs..if a cyclist does not also drive he/she would not last a day riding facing the traffic.
09-17-07, 07:11 PM
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I wouldn't stop if my right mounted mirror showed no on cars..in that case the guy coming at me could easily move out a bit..if my mirror shows a car also coming behind and i've got one coming at me then yes i stop and move over let them both scream past. By checking my mirror i know if the guy coming at me could easily move over when passing me but latley i just switch over to the right side so he doesn't have to move a single inch.
09-17-07, 07:17 PM
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troll treats...
OP: so if you're coming over a hill (or any other dangerous spot) you admit the safest place is on the right side of road? and why isn't this just as safe when the road is less dangerous?
And if you're riding on straight flat empty country roads why not just ride in the middle of the road?
OP: so if you're coming over a hill (or any other dangerous spot) you admit the safest place is on the right side of road? and why isn't this just as safe when the road is less dangerous?
And if you're riding on straight flat empty country roads why not just ride in the middle of the road?
09-17-07, 07:18 PM
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Your aggressive response tells me it's very scary out there for you..i yield to all traffic including bikes, skate-boarders, joggers etc...everything.
09-17-07, 07:19 PM
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This guy again? I've seen an idiot riding the wrong way on highway seven in Ontario. He was cresting a hill against traffic. He looked like a proper daily cyclist except fo the fact he obviously failed to understand safe road practices. He was also somewhat aged, probably 50+? Perhaps it was this person. I hope you live a long safe life, but rest assured your father's folly dies with you.
09-17-07, 07:32 PM
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if you're only riding in "quite" roads and dirt paths, what value do you think your safety theory has for the rest of us who ride on roads with actual traffic/intersections/blind spots?
why should we care if some dude in the middle of bodunk nowhere is riding off into ditches on the left hand of the road everytime a kid on a scooter rolls by?
why should we care if some dude in the middle of bodunk nowhere is riding off into ditches on the left hand of the road everytime a kid on a scooter rolls by?
09-17-07, 07:34 PM
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Do you also drive? Because i do and i'm aware of that #1 most dangerous situation (#2 is cresting a hill)
I myself can see if the road up ahead curves..i'm on high alert and will change my path..what does every other cyclist do..they just keep on riding and hope they are visible to whoever is coming at them from behind.
09-17-07, 07:53 PM
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I've seen him here twice while I was riding. Once he rode off onto the unpaved shoulder to avoid me. The other time he shifted to his right, to ride in the left of the on-coming (to him) lane.
FaceThem, get a clue, or don't ride. Your dodging all over the road not only makes you unsafe, it also makes things less safe for everybody by your actions being unpredictable to motorists. Think about it, clown. With me on the right side of the road, and you on the left side of the road traveling in the same direction, it gives motorists less room to pass. Not only that, but being that close and traveling in the same direction, motorists might mistakenly think we're together. Your riding is an embarrassment, please stop.
FaceThem, get a clue, or don't ride. Your dodging all over the road not only makes you unsafe, it also makes things less safe for everybody by your actions being unpredictable to motorists. Think about it, clown. With me on the right side of the road, and you on the left side of the road traveling in the same direction, it gives motorists less room to pass. Not only that, but being that close and traveling in the same direction, motorists might mistakenly think we're together. Your riding is an embarrassment, please stop.
09-17-07, 07:59 PM
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Do you also drive? Because i do and i'm aware of that #1 most dangerous situation (#2 is cresting a hill)
I myself can see if the road up ahead curves..i'm on high alert and will change my path..what does every other cyclist do..they just keep on riding and hope they are visible to whoever is coming at them from behind.
I myself can see if the road up ahead curves..i'm on high alert and will change my path..what does every other cyclist do..they just keep on riding and hope they are visible to whoever is coming at them from behind.
A driver is going to come up to the road your riding on, look to his left as he approaces the intersection, it'll be clear and he's going to make a right while not looking to his right and drive right into you. Happens all the time.
Y'know, you can ride where ever you want as long as no one is going to be in that space. Soon as someone else wants that space, there's going to be a problem.
Cyclists competeing for the same, small space of road approaching each other with nowhere to bail is a collision waiting to happen. I see it every day. A wonderful side effect is how when the 2 cyclists collide on the side of the road is, they can fall into the flow of traffic and be hit by a car passing by.
Last time I ran into a bozo like you, I was going to give him a nice shot in the jaw, but when I looked at him lying on the ground, unable to catch his breath after my shoulder drove into him at my 35 kmh and his 25 kmh, I knew I couldn't possibly hit him as hard as I already had. I left him to try to gasp in some air. Punishment enough.
09-17-07, 08:22 PM
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I was surprised how many people around me ride on the wrong side of the road (most of them on the sidewalk), they weren't comfortable enough with their ability to see cars head on to take initiative and take the car side of the bike lane (or the right car lane if there wasn't enough room). I had to take it every time (I have a mirror so I see cars always *shrugs*)
I just figure the experts and statistics have more to say about what is safe and not. I'll take the hint that they designed the bike lanes with all the cyclist signs pointed in the direction of traffic flow for a reason.
Not to mention I'm not going to get hit by people turning left into parking lots that don't expect me doing something illegal (which automatically makes me at fault, no "right of way" for me).
I just figure the experts and statistics have more to say about what is safe and not. I'll take the hint that they designed the bike lanes with all the cyclist signs pointed in the direction of traffic flow for a reason.
Not to mention I'm not going to get hit by people turning left into parking lots that don't expect me doing something illegal (which automatically makes me at fault, no "right of way" for me).
09-17-07, 08:30 PM
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I'm talking safety in a Bike Forum's section on Safety..this is one place to start to change peoples thinking..i think i am unintentionally 'bothering' people because deep down they know how terrifying it is on the roads and the very best of us get killed..many many cyclists get killed or are seriously injured..Some of you may think about my views the next time you are riding on a dark rainy road and perhaps you may think about giving it a try and ride in such a way that YOU are judging the situation yourself and not leaving your life completely in the hands of all the passing motorists.
09-17-07, 11:52 PM
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I'm talking safety in a Bike Forum's section on Safety..this is one place to start to change peoples thinking..i think i am unintentionally 'bothering' people because deep down they know how terrifying it is on the roads and the very best of us get killed..many many cyclists get killed or are seriously injured..Some of you may think about my views the next time you are riding on a dark rainy road and perhaps you may think about giving it a try and ride in such a way that YOU are judging the situation yourself and not leaving your life completely in the hands of all the passing motorists.
Tell you what. Do you have any evidence that "your views" are better than the general thinking on the subject? Stats? Studies? Anything?
Anecdotal evidence doesn't qualify. The collective experience of the people on bike forums, all except for one or two ride on the right side of the road, with traffic, tells me that riding in traffic doesn't automatically get people killed. Statistics generally look dimly on riding against traffic, as closetbiker has shown.
So, show me the money, to quote a B rate movie. Do you ride much? How many miles a week? How many years of experience do you have to back your opinion?
And why the devil does it matter what your ideas are if you go on admitting that your ideas don't work in all but a very specific, very narrow, circumstance? Shouldn't you preface your post with a warning that this only works in your narrow circumstance (people who live in a city, and most people do, will never encounter your circumstance) and doing it anywhere else will likely get you killed?
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09-18-07, 06:35 AM
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As a driver and a cyclist I am quite comfortable driving and riding according to the rules of the road, while you seem to ride according to the rules of your fears and phobias. Again, ride however you want, ain't my problem unless you get in my way.
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Dude, if you want to let your fear rule your life, that is your right...but don't lay your fears on those of us who don't share them...and again, don't get in our way when WE are riding lawfully and according to the rules of the road. If it comes down to a choice of putting myself into a dangerous situation to avoid you, or knocking your butt into a ditch...you're gonna go into the ditch.
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Sorry I'm late with my comments but I just ran across this thread.
What a total and complete idiot!!!
Ever taken the BikeEd course promoted by the League of American Bicyclists??
Originally Posted by FaceThem
I ride facing the traffic 99.9% of the time...
Ever taken the BikeEd course promoted by the League of American Bicyclists??
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09-18-07, 09:54 AM
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Moron! If I encounter you coming head on, you're going down.
You are endangering every other legally riding bicyclist on the road.
You are endangering every other legally riding bicyclist on the road.