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Old 10-27-07, 07:02 AM
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How could this happen? A while ago my neighbor told me he hit someone on a bike. He told me he braked but couldn't stop in time, he hit the cyclist who went up onto his hood but held onto the hood until the car stopped. He said the cyclist wasn't hurt but the bike was destroyed and he bought him a new bike.

I've been wondering about the accident for a while, so I asked him how it happened. He said, "I moved here, he moved there, and I hit him". His explanation was clipped and cold so I didn't ask him anymore about it. So he basically he moved to the right and then the cyclist moved to the left right in front of him, he braked but still hit him. How is it that he hit cyclist from behind but the cyclist ended up on the hood? Second, I still can't understand how there were no injuries.
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Old 10-27-07, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Clarks View Post
How could this happen? A while ago my neighbor told me he hit someone on a bike. He told me he braked but couldn't stop in time, he hit the cyclist who went up onto his hood but held onto the hood until the car stopped. He said the cyclist wasn't hurt but the bike was destroyed and he bought him a new bike.

I've been wondering about the accident for a while, so I asked him how it happened. He said, "I moved here, he moved there, and I hit him". His explanation was clipped and cold so I didn't ask him anymore about it. So he basically he moved to the right and then the cyclist moved to the left right in front of him, he braked but still hit him. How is it that he hit cyclist from behind but the cyclist ended up on the hood? Second, I still can't understand how there were no injuries.
Why are you asking this forum? How the heck would anyone here know? Oh, I Know! Lack of any info won't stop several posters from blaming the "cager's" bad driving, and several others from blaming the cyclist's faulty technique. And somehow bike lanes are to blame!!
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Old 10-27-07, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Why are you asking this forum? How the heck would anyone here know? Oh, I Know! Lack of any info won't stop several posters from blaming the "cager's" bad driving, and several others from blaming the cyclist's faulty technique. And somehow bike lanes are to blame!!
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Old 10-27-07, 08:28 AM
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Dude, you have over 8,000 posts, I'm surprised you don't have an answer. With 8,000 posts your an avid cyclist, as an avid cyclist I am sure you've been run over and lived to talk about it
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Old 10-27-07, 08:29 AM
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Given the minimal description, it seems a "dart-out" variant. Normally dart out is from a parking space or side street. Variant when two drivers head for the same vacant lane and either hit side to side or the faster vehicle from behind hits the slower moving in from the right. US conventions on road side. Reverse for UK.

With a bicycle, can suddenly be moving left around a parked car, moving out of a bike lane into the mixed lane for turning or whatever. Can be a no fault thing - cyclist looks, then moves, motorist looks and moves, both at the same time. Empty lane becomes too full in an instant.

Up on the hood is pretty safe. I did that as a pedestrian with a roll-through stopper. Jumped right as the car got a couple of feet away and rolled onto the hood. Didn't even get bruised, although the car did. After I stomped it. Much better than going under. I'm ready to jump a bike up and lean into a car when I'm city riding. Can bounce off the hood and then to the ground, gives a couple of seconds for the car to slow, less chance of going under the wheels, and even the cell phone drivers in the vicinity have a bit more time to react to the accident.

Having been on a hood and under wheels, I'll pick the hood any day!
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Old 10-27-07, 09:14 AM
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It was the cager's bad driving.
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Old 10-27-07, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Clarks View Post
Dude, you have over 8,000 posts, I'm surprised you don't have an answer. With 8,000 posts your an avid cyclist, as an avid cyclist I am sure you've been run over and lived to talk about it
You ARE confused. 8000 posts does not make any poster an avid anything but an avid poster, certainly not an answer man for dingy questions. Here is an idea to end your confusion on this topic, why don't you go back and direct your question to the motoristwho was there, and then get in touch with the bicyclist for his side of the story?
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Old 10-27-07, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
You ARE confused. 8000 posts does not make any poster an avid anything but an avid poster, certainly not an answer man for dingy questions. Here is an idea to end your confusion on this topic, why don't you go back and direct your question to the motoristwho was there, and then get in touch with the bicyclist for his side of the story?
Why don't you put your head back in your ass where it belongs.
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Old 10-27-07, 11:09 AM
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OFF TOPIC :
Sorry ILTB has hit me up with this stuff before too,
but he is a necassary 'evil'
Im sure this thread will go into 3 pages of ponderous
conjecturing and hypothetical situationing. His posts
might seem harsh now, but will make much more sense later.
A small dose of realism in 100,000 words of..........nothing.
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Old 10-27-07, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by elgalad View Post
Why don't you put your head back in your ass where it belongs.
'Cause he couldn't use it, then, to give the only appropriate answer to the OP's question. Why y' pickin' on 'im, anyway.

The OP asks a question to which there are none but rhetorical answers, ILTB points that out, OP comes back with "dude" type disrespectful answer, and you pile on with obscenity. I don't quite get it.

ILTB's reply is right on. How is advocacy and safety served by speculating on such a question? The OP sounds quite suspicious of the motorist who, by the OP's account, sounds quite embarrassed and unwilling to discuss the answer to the OP's question.

If the motorist and cyclist have settled it, who cares at this point how the accident happened. If the motorist and cyclist aren't telling, then, all the snobbish, disrespectful speculating by all the self-proclaimed experts in the world isn't going to shed any new light on the subject.

I, too, wonder why the OP posted the question.

So, why don't you put some mittens over those disrespectful "finners" of yours. Some of us find your post much more offending to the atmosphere of this forum than that by ILTB.

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Old 10-27-07, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Clarks View Post
How could this happen? A while ago my neighbor told me he hit someone on a bike. He told me he braked but couldn't stop in time, he hit the cyclist who went up onto his hood but held onto the hood until the car stopped. He said the cyclist wasn't hurt but the bike was destroyed and he bought him a new bike.

I've been wondering about the accident for a while, so I asked him how it happened. He said, "I moved here, he moved there, and I hit him". His explanation was clipped and cold so I didn't ask him anymore about it. So he basically he moved to the right and then the cyclist moved to the left right in front of him, he braked but still hit him. How is it that he hit cyclist from behind but the cyclist ended up on the hood? Second, I still can't understand how there were no injuries.
It's entirely possible that your neighbor isn't telling you the whole story. He knows you ride, right? If he had done something negligent or otherwise stupid, he might be embarassed to tell you.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Why are you asking this forum? How the heck would anyone here know? Oh, I Know! Lack of any info won't stop several posters from blaming the "cager's" bad driving, and several others from blaming the cyclist's faulty technique. And somehow bike lanes are to blame!!
And somewhere in the thread, we can always count on ILTB to join in with his diatribe.
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Old 10-27-07, 05:50 PM
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I have no idea but the biker may have been riding the wrong way. I dont know how they could have played that game any other way.
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Old 10-27-07, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Clarks View Post
Dude, you have over 8,000 posts, I'm surprised you don't have an answer.
Naw. ILTB has one post, submitted over 8000 times so far.
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Originally Posted by Clarks View Post
How could this happen? A while ago my neighbor told me he hit someone on a bike. He told me he braked but couldn't stop in time...
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Why are you asking this forum?
Because it's called, "BikeForums?"

Oh, that's right. You need a valid I.D. to post here, and a major credit card.



Please, like you or I are somehow special...
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Conjecture; the cyclists was a wrong way cyclists and there was a little dance similar to what wrong side peds do on a MUP. You think they are staying out of your way so you start to speed up and then they change their mind and you have to brake hard.
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Old 10-27-07, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
And somewhere in the thread, we can always count on ILTB to join in with his diatribe.
OK JackAss, help the confused fellow out, let's hear your ignorant explanation!
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Old 10-27-07, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleBigMan View Post
Because it's called, "BikeForums?"
Better it be posted on the crystal ball forum, but then again, this forum IS filled with cycling swamis who never let their own ignorance of the issue get in the way of their conjuring an "explanation." Might even satisfy the confused and/or gullible.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Better it be posted on the crystal ball forum, but then again, this forum IS filled with cycling swamis who never let their own ignorance of the issue get in the way of their conjuring an "explanation." Might even satisfy the confused and/or gullible.
I guess you know everything then, right?
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Originally Posted by elgalad View Post
I guess you know everything then, right?
I know a confused question that can't be intelligently answered given the lack of any details; which is obviously more than you, the confused OP, and the handful of dingy posters who will use the OP's bait as a catalyst for further pontification.
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OK JackAss, help the confused fellow out, let's hear your ignorant explanation!
Another fine example of how ILTB got to over 8,000 post.
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
Another fine example of how ILTB got to over 8,000 post.
Good "confused" response about the subject from a BF "Conventional Wisdom Man". Which of course means no answer at all. But sorta on topic since it demonstrates the poster's same "confusion" (i.e. childish whining) and problem with logical thought/argument as the original poster.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Good "confused" response about the subject from a BF "Conventional Wisdom Man". Which of course means no answer at all. But sorta on topic since it demonstrates the poster's same "confusion" (i.e. childish whining) and problem with logical thought/argument as the original poster.
And your *****-ass whining is helping how, exactly?
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Originally Posted by elgalad View Post
And your *****-ass whining is helping how, exactly?
Helps any reasonable reader to figure out which posters don't have a dang clue about rational thought. My concise spot-on analysis can be counted on to prompt the logic deprived posters such as yourself (and other BF hysterics) to float to the top of the bowl and reveal an inability to read and/or comprehend any idea that does not fit your preconceived notions of "correctness."

IMO seems my posts especially irk the confused slice of the Roadie/Vehicular Cyclist/Safety Nanny persuasions who demonstrate their intolerance to any divergent opinion (with posts such as your own and CB HI's) and get all apoplectic and self righteous in defense of their sacred cows/beliefs.
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I'm getting the extreme impression, I-Like-To-Bike, that you hit a cyclist while driving and you were deemed at fault, maybe I'm wrong. In any case, you are a very unhappy person. God Bless
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