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Old 11-02-07, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by flipped4bikes View Post
"Undefinable VC panache". Wow. Just wow. I was going to comment on "VC elite", but why bother? No need to point out HH's smugness than he already has...
If you VC Contrarians think derision makes me back off, you're not very good at learning, but we've already established that.

It's not just lane positioning, but that vehicular cyclists evoke a certain je ne sais quoi when riding that makes drivers much more likely to treat us respectfully. It probably has to do with vehicular cyclists respecting the drivers of vehicles around them as fellow human beings with equal rights to travel on the roads, and reflecting this respect with body language, subtle lateral adjustments, etc.

When others see that you treat them with respect, they are likely to do so in return.

And to tie this post in with the OP, I don't think it's a coincidence that Beck expresses very little respect for motor vehicle drivers, to the contrary, and this is very likely to be manifested in his riding, and often sensed by drivers.
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Old 11-02-07, 04:14 PM
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ah, the great armchair cyclist puts us all to shame! his respect of traffic, his joie de vie.....
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Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
It's kind of ironic.... This fella and a couple of other verbal ragin' cagers in the last couple of years have made claims of them "being bicyclists too" but it appears that rage behind the wheel at bicyclists taking the lane, and occasionally riding a bicycle for recreation are not mutually exclusive.
Actually, this doesn't surprise me. I'm a member of a running club and we've had a discussion about some of the recent cycling-related deaths here in Portland. I was surprised that so many of our running club members (many that even cycle fairly frequently) hold the same view - bikes don't belong on the road. But, it makes some sense that recreational cyclists that spend much of their time on recreational paths, off the road and out of the way, would expect all other cyclists to remain out of motorist's way. And even though I spend much time running on the road and deal with similar situations as I would on a bike, many of these runners do not - they run on trails, tracks, out-of-the-way spots, so they're still inclined to hold motorist views when they are on the roadway system.

Another bit of biking quandry...if the runner is driving a car, they want the bicycles on the sidewalk because they're too slow. But, if the runner is running on the sidewalk, they want the bikes off the sidewalk because the machines and their operators are a menace.

Below, is one member's response to a comment made by another runner/daily cycle commuter I know:

Initial comment -
"Bikes have as much right to a lane when they need it as a Suburban does."

Response -
"If you're in the middle of the lane, using it like I use my car, then you had better be going the exact speed as I am going in my car. You'd better be hauling freakin' ass."

The common message is, of course, "Get out of the way or I'm gonna get angry!"

The entire discussion can be seen here: http://www.redlizardrunning.com/foru...showtopic=7057
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Old 11-02-07, 05:15 PM
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haven't you been following along, chezJfrey? bicycling while wearing a fedora, issuing steely eyebrow raises while executing an insoucient buttwaggle (with a skosh of panache) will take care of that "GET OUT OF MY WAY" attitude..... don't you see, helemet head knows all from the great bicycling armchair?

Some motorists will always disrespect you, despite one's self-delusions of traffic 'panache'
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Old 11-02-07, 06:38 PM
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you guys are all really examples of how cycling energizes us for every task

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Originally Posted by Helmet Head View Post
Per your definition it's hostile at commute times, and it's arguably more hostile about a half mile west of there, and a quarter mile east.

More importantly, most local cyclists consider it "hostile".

I, of course, do not. But that's because I ride with panache, the VC verve, if you will.
Per my definition your road is NOT hostile as it is multi-lane. Per your description it is NOT hostile as honking is infrequent. This is another useless HH derailment. Irregardless of the adjective of choice among the local cyclists per definitions in this sub-thread the road in question is just intimidating.

Here is a local road that is near equivalent to HH’s road. It is an intimidating but non-hostile road (the locals here would call it bike hostile) but I have gotten ZERO honks on this road.
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I repeat this is NOT a hostile road.


A local road (Falls Rd) that is hostile during evening rush hour (major spur to/from I-83 and opportunity to pass a cyclists can be 5 minutes apart during evening rush hour, 99% of cyclists are on the sidewalk and parking is 99% occupied.)
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Another hostile road during evening rush hour (Macarthur Blvd; overflow traffic from nearby Parkway and a sidepath.)
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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...&t=k&z=19&om=1
Transcript of a local radio rant to demonstrate (some) local motorists view point: http://www.baltimorespokes.org/comme...de=view&cid=80

Again I am using hostile to describe a rate that motorists express their displeasure of a cyclist being in the road which is higher then usual and has little to nothing to do with being able to safely bike the road (just makes the road unpleasant in my book.)

Yah, only you and JF think that there are only 3-5 VCers on this forum, just because some of us have some issues on the topic of JF speaking ex cathedra.
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Old 11-02-07, 08:26 PM
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only 10 people viewing A&S, y'all have scared them away.

are we done here yet?
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It’s a Friday at 10:30 PM and you expect more people here with no life???
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you said it not me



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I'm curious how my 'lack of respect' is exhibited to motorists behind me if taking the lane is my decision for my safety...oh, right, I'm not far enough left....or am I too far left in a shareable lane? What, am I wearing the wrong fedora?

head, i likely exhibit more respect for traffic than your 'fear from the rear' method that has you slowing down overtaking traffic.... what gives? what's with that lack of respect?


well, the horse seems fully flogged. I posted this thread to showcase the fallacious 'smile and waves' lauded onto bicyclists taking the lane.

And the VC smiles and waves crewe -HH, joejack, noisebeam, steve G, all have pitched in their anecdotes about lack of respect heaped onto them while riding vehicularily.

Thanks, guys! you affirmed my contention there are jackass motorists everywhere, regardless of ones' choice of fedora. but head incessantly, delusionally posits he's got 'the lock' on the ability to hypnotize motorists into complacency with his insoucience and verve.

(I think it's really because hed's normally behind the wheel of a car, and not riding his bicycle much, except in crewes of LCI groupies and wannabes, on the Saturday club ride & rolling with his daughter in defuser mode on the trail-a-bike on sundays)
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Old 11-02-07, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head View Post
If you VC Contrarians think derision makes me back off, you're not very good at learning, but we've already established that.
Oh the irony.

Originally Posted by Helmet Head View Post
It's not just lane positioning, but that vehicular cyclists evoke a certain je ne sais quoi when riding that makes drivers much more likely to treat us respectfully. It probably has to do with vehicular cyclists respecting the drivers of vehicles around them as fellow human beings with equal rights to travel on the roads, and reflecting this respect with body language, subtle lateral adjustments, etc.

When others see that you treat them with respect, they are likely to do so in return.
That is exactly how I ride, Serge. So, o wise one, how do you explain this? Your silence on that thread was deafening.

Some people are just arrogant, selfish pricks, Serge, no matter what you do, and any lane position other than 'out of my way' is a reason to rant. Not everyone is as rational as we are.
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Originally Posted by Allister View Post
how do you explain this? Your silence on that thread was deafening.
sorry allister, but we all know serge only has the hots for bek

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Let me try to sum up this thread by paraphrasing, and I apologize to those posters I may not have given credit to....

Bekologist- hey, road rage incident. Check it out, it made the newspaper. It's not all smiles and waves out there.

Noisebeam -look at my videos of road rage in action.

Joejack- happened to me last week. I had to stop, and I got on the sidewalk.

Little Big Man- just happened to me. I flipped the bird.

The Human Car - Yep, honks and harassment happen, some roads are worse
than others.

Steve G. - Taking the lane increases the frequency of honks and angry motorists.

Genec- I got honked at WITH Helemt Head on a ride when we were learning 'advanced' VC techniques.

Head- It's happened to me too, BUT YOU'RE ALL DOING IT WRONG!

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You forgot my recommendation for more fedoras.
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my apologies, Donna.


Donnamb - more fedora!

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Originally Posted by donnamb View Post
You forgot my recommendation for more fedoras.
Good point.



A VC panache (HH?) getting ready to ride the “Road of Doom” honk free.
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Originally Posted by joejack951 View Post
Let's see your bike "hostile" roads.
The shoulder is not a suitable biking option due to its poor surface. Good lights and high visibility vests/t-shirts are my chief "hostility" reducers. VC Brand Panache and Dingbat Brand Theories don't cut it at all.

At night the unlit road looks like below except for headlights and taillights.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
The shoulder is not a suitable biking option due to its poor surface. Good lights and high visibility vests/t-shirts are my chief "hostility" reducers. VC Brand Panache and Dingbat Brand Theories don't cut it at all.

At night the unlit road looks like below except for headlights and taillights.
Clearly, all ILTB needs to do here is move to a 'lane controlling' postion and waggle his panache.

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Originally Posted by RobertHurst View Post
Clearly, all ILTB needs to do here is move to a 'lane controlling' postion and waggle his panache.

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You forgot about the most important technique - Vulcan Cycling Mind Control device of dynamic swerving while whistling California Dreaming!
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These drivers never frown
They all smile so gay
I've been for a ride
On a hostile way

I'd be safe and sound
Even in L.A.
California Dreamin'
On a hostile way

Stepped up on the curb
I was passed too close today
Well, I got back on my bike
And I wiggle ass and sway

You know I preach the VC fold
It doesn't matter what I say
California Dreamin'
I've got panache today

These drivers never frown
They all smile so gay
I've been for a ride
On a hostile way

I hope that I can tell you
About power weave today
California Dreamin'
On such a hostile way

I hope that I can tell you
About power weave today
California Dreamin'
On such a hostile way

I hope that I can tell you
About power weave today
California Dreamin'
On such a hostile way

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Bravo!



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Yes, ChezJfrey, make yourself known at the next bikey event. You deserve a beer for your fine poetics.
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Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
Good point.



A VC panache (HH?) getting ready to ride the “Road of Doom” honk free.
And what says 'panache' more than a shiny sword?

I sure feel like I could use a shiny sword some days.
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Originally Posted by Allister View Post
And what says 'panache' more than a shiny sword?

I sure feel like I could use a shiny sword some days.
get a nice fake broadsword at a costume shop and sling it over your shoulder when you ride so it's prominently on display. Bigger is better. maybe get one of those horned norse helmets to wear as well



or get a handgun license and strap a real one on your hip, more likely in AZ than OZ i suppose...

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Well, you're from Oz, Allister. We North Americans just can't pull off that much panache.
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