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Old 11-10-07, 10:33 PM
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police chase = dead cyclist in kansas city

Look at this ****** bags mug shot. I wish the cops would jerk that nose ring out of his face.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/354762.html
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Old 11-10-07, 11:07 PM
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"...Wilfredo J. Pujols, 24, faces one count of second-degree murder, one count of resisting arrest and two counts of leaving the scene of an accident and driving while intoxicated..."

Murdering Dirtbag Wilfredo J. Pujois:
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Old 11-10-07, 11:08 PM
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He looks like albert pujols who is also from that area. I wonder if they are related?

I'm being serious.
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Old 11-11-07, 09:19 AM
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I hope he's locked up for life. Here in California they could also charge the passenger with the murder charge.
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Old 11-11-07, 09:42 AM
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The victim's father should be able to run that guy over.
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Historically, the crime of "felony murder" means any death that happens due to the commission of a felony. Odd examples include a police officer shooting a bystander or other officer during a shootout with an armed robber. In that case, the robber could be charged with felony murder. Another would be if a passenger died in a stolen car during a chase. The driver would be charged with felony murder.

I don't see how this crime isn't felony murder, which, by the way, carries the same penalty as first degree murder - up to and including the death penalty.
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Originally Posted by gosmsgo View Post
He looks like albert pujols who is also from that area. I wonder if they are related?

I'm being serious.
Yes, cousins.
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Old 11-11-07, 04:07 PM
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May he rot in hell !
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Old 11-11-07, 06:43 PM
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i feel sorrow for the bicyclist, familly, and community.

there have been events here that i have read about, some here in philly, pa and trenton, nj (i believe). it was determined that the actual CHASE at these speeds could possibly be an avoidable componant in this type of outcome.

(was the nose-ringed a/h the only person going 90 mph?)

again, my condolences.
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Old 11-11-07, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MrCjolsen View Post
Historically, the crime of "felony murder" means any death that happens due to the commission of a felony. Odd examples include a police officer shooting a bystander or other officer during a shootout with an armed robber. In that case, the robber could be charged with felony murder. Another would be if a passenger died in a stolen car during a chase. The driver would be charged with felony murder.

I don't see how this crime isn't felony murder, which, by the way, carries the same penalty as first degree murder - up to and including the death penalty.
At least as applies to California, section 189 of the penal code includes the definition of felony murder:

189. All murder which is perpetrated by means of a destructive
device or explosive, a weapon of mass destruction, knowing use of
ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, poison,
lying in wait, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate,
and premeditated killing, or which is committed in the perpetration
of, or attempt to perpetrate, arson, ****, carjacking, robbery,
burglary, mayhem, kidnapping, train wrecking, or any act punishable
under Section 206 (torture), 286(illegal sodomy), 288(lewd/lascivious acts),
288a(lewd/lascivious act with child under 14), or 289(****),
or any murder
which is perpetrated by means of discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle,
intentionally at another person outside of the vehicle with the
intent to inflict death, is murder of the first degree. All other
kinds of murders are of the second degree.

*items in parentheses added so those interested didn't have to go look up all those codes

The portion that defines the felony murder rule is in bold. Attempting to evade, elude, or flee from police while operating a vehicle in California is a misdemeanor (vehicle code section 2800.1). Attempting to evade, elude, or flee police while operating a vehicle in a reckless manner is a wobbler (can be punished as a misdemeanor or felony) (vehicle code section 2800.2). If the driver was simply fleeing a traffic stop, I don't believe the felony murder rule would apply, since fleeing the police isn't included in the list of felonies applicable to the felony murder rule. I guess if they were robbing a bank, then fled the bank with the police in pursuit and killed somebody, the felony murder rule would probably apply.

All information was obtained from www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html. Please note I'm not a lawyer, judge, or other "legal person." I just like to look up laws and interpret them for fun.

I also have first hand experience nearly being killed by a male in his early 20s fleeing the police while operating his vehicle at speeds in excess of 80mph on a surface street (40mph limit) with his lights off in the middle of the night. I was making a left turn at a light, I got the green light, suspect fleeing with his headlights off got the red light and gunned it a long way from the intersection. I heard him speeding up, didn't go immediately and looked for an approaching vehicle. Not seeing one I started my turn, and all of a sudden he appeared to my left, on a collision course with my driver's side door. He hit the brakes hard. I floored the accelerator and got out of the way just in time. He was close enough to hitting me I could clearly see his eyes even though it was the middle of the night with minimal street lighting.

I was considering executing a U-turn across the center median and giving chase, but just as I was slowing down to turn around the police officer that had been chasing him for about a mile (determined by reading the newspaper) turned on his flashing lights and siren. He had been going faster than the car he was chasing, obviously trying to catch up prior to initiating his traffic stop procedure. I wish the officer had started using his lights and siren as soon as the driver he was chasing turned his headlights off. FWIW, the pursuit started when the suspect was observed illegally racing with another vehicle. The other vehicle involved in the race went a different direction and got away.
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Old 11-11-07, 08:17 PM
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High-speed police chases are indeed problematic, and I do not have a universal solution. Locking up this bozo and throwing away the key is a good start, but we have a much bigger general problem out there.
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I myself was nearly run over by a police chase... in a most unusual location... I was on the street on my usual commute about to cross a set of RR tracks when an approaching "roar" made me stop short. Within moments, a car on the RR right of way, zoomed past at high speed followed shortly by a police car with lights and siren blasting away.

I had heard the siren just moments before, but could not place the location, as the sound was coming from an odd direction... I assumed a parallel street.

It was your classic chase scene, just on RR tracks.
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Old 11-12-07, 09:28 AM
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Even in municipalities with guidelines for ending chases, this still might have occured. The guy rammed the woman's car twice after he struck her vehicle and yelled at her.
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
Even in municipalities with guidelines for ending chases, this still might have occured. The guy rammed the woman's car twice after he struck her vehicle and yelled at her.
Yep; From how I understood the news story, it sounds like the police gave chase because the driver was already driving like a crazed maniac.
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Old 11-14-07, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
I hope he's locked up for life. Here in California they could also charge the passenger with the murder charge.
That doesn't sound right? For what crime?
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That doesn't sound right? For what crime?
If someone is comitting a felony here, everyone in the group can be charged with murder if someone is killed. This is even if the person killed is the criminal, and is shot by the police.

If I had been riding in the car with that idiot, I'd have reached over suddenly and pulled the key out of the ignition.
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