Lane sharing/splitting/straddling
I appreciate any comments, suggestions, and questions.
Lane Sharing Basic definitions. Various people use the following terms in various ways, sometimes interchangeably. I've tried to sort it out by what most people mean most of the time.
Language in laws like California's CVC 21658 seem to make lane-splitting illegal, if you read it with lane-splitting in mind:
Safety issues Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's safe. Both varieties of lane-splitting, as well as lane-sharing on the outside, have various hazards. When traffic is stopped, riding in door zones is always hazardous, on either side. It can be the safe and reasonable thing to do when done carefully. If the reasonable safety of lane-splitting or lane-sharing is in doubt in a given situation, don't do it. I appreciate any comments, suggestions, and questions. EDITS: 02/01/08 - Added curbhugging definition per Bek's question. 02/02/08 Changed lane-sharing definition from:
02/04/08: Updated definitions of lane-sharing and lane-splitting; added whitelining and filtering forward, etc. See post #36 for details. 02/05/08: Updated lane-sharing again. See post #40 for details. 02/05/08: Expanded the observation about the varieties of lane-splitting. |
what about the curbhugging?
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Curbhugging is extremely generous lane-sharing on the outside.
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This thread is the biggest waste of bits and bytes ever.
Shouldn't you be riding? How about: Riding in traffic is hazardous, so is leaving the house. |
extremely generous? :roflmao: who makes that determination? You, helmet? :roflmao: what about blatant curb hugging of low speed lanes too narrow to share?
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IMHO: He's like those self-proclaimed "experts" you see that rant on and on about what the rest of the established scientific community has already established false... except he's just on a bike.
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In Europe it's called filtering.
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what about sharing the lane to the left?
In construction zones this is very common. |
Originally Posted by wheel
(Post 6093870)
what about sharing the lane to the left?
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
(Post 6091377)
The whole area of lane sharing/splitting can be confusing, particularly in terms of when/where it's legal, safe and appropriate. This writeup attempts to explain the concepts and issues as simply and clearly as possible.
Your original post is so full of horse hockey I don't even know where to begin. Mark me down as disagreeing with virtually everything you say. Since I don't have the time to detail every point of disagreement, allow me to cherry-pick.
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
(Post 6091377)
If the intent was to prohibit lane-splitting, then why would they prohibit lane-splitting of the lane-straddling variety, but not lane-splitting of the lane-sharing variety?
I hate to burst your bubble, but the VC-ist dogma that says that lane sharing is "vehicular" is a gigantic load of cow chips- the "WOLs are better than bike lanes" crowd notwithstanding. |
WOLs are ambiguous. If I'm 11 feet over in a 18 foot lane, am I bicycling too far left for lane sharing?
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How about the practice of Hair-splitting?
I just stay out of the way and never seem to piss anyone off. Well, just once, when I was taking the lane. |
Originally Posted by JRA
(Post 6094840)
Because it's redundant to prohibit things that are already prohibited. I know it goes against VC-ist dogma but, as a general rule, lane-sharing is prohibited in all 50 states (with a few, explicitly stated, exceptions, such as two bicycles in the same lane)-- even in California where the CHP has said that it doesn't care what the law is, it isn't going to enforce a ban on lane-sharing unless it feels like it.
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Originally Posted by JRA
(Post 6094840)
Because it's redundant to prohibit things that are already prohibited. I know it goes against VC-ist dogma but, as a general rule, lane-sharing is prohibited in all 50 states (with a few, explicitly stated, exceptions, such as two bicycles in the same lane)-- even in California where the CHP has said that it doesn't care what the law is, it isn't going to enforce a ban on lane-sharing unless it feels like it.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the VC-ist dogma that says that lane sharing is "vehicular" is a gigantic load of cow chips- the "WOLs are better than bike lanes" crowd notwithstanding. Anyway, from the CHP website: Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner. I don't see the CHP saying it doesn't care what the law is. |
Originally Posted by Bekologist
(Post 6095576)
WOLs are ambiguous. If I'm 11 feet over in a 18 foot lane, am I bicycling too far left for lane sharing?
Anyway, the WOL is not ambiguous - your position 11 feet over (from the lane stripe on your left, I'm assuming) is what is ambiguous (with respect to whether you're sharing or controlling the lane). Would anyone ride a motorcycle in that position, especially relatively slowly to other traffic? Note that if the 18 foot lane had a 5' wide bike lane, at 11' over you'd be 2' to the left of the BL stripe, which would be 13' over. If you want to be clearly sharing, then 11 feet over is probably a bit too far left. If you want to be controlling, 11 feet over is too far right. Make sense? |
no.
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Originally Posted by JRA
(Post 6094840)
Because it's redundant to prohibit things that are already prohibited. I know it goes against VC-ist dogma but, as a general rule, lane-sharing is prohibited in all 50 states (with a few, explicitly stated, exceptions, such as two bicycles in the same lane)-- even in California where the CHP has said that it doesn't care what the law is, it isn't going to enforce a ban on lane-sharing unless it feels like it.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the VC-ist dogma that says that lane sharing is "vehicular" is a gigantic load of cow chips- the "WOLs are better than bike lanes" crowd notwithstanding. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane. The obvious implication is that a lane that is wider than a "substandard width lane" is wide enough" for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane." And legally. A bicycle and a vehicle traveling side by side within the lane is lane-sharing, by definition, given the way I defined it the way I did in the OP:
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
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Ok, your definition of lane straddling means nothing to me, at best its redundant, its what you do when you split lanes/filtering.
Lane splitting/filtering, which is passing cars by going between two lines of cars, regardless of its legality, is something I will do in very slow traffic, but realizing that it does carry a relative amount of risk over just taking the lane and flowing with traffic, I do it very cautiously. Your definition of lane sharing is extremely dangerous and I avoid it at all costs. Its an invitation to get right hooked or left hooked by a car. Whenever a car comes right next to me, I take immediate evasive action to either get in front of or behind the car. |
Originally Posted by San Rensho
(Post 6097531)
Ok, your definition of lane straddling means nothing to me, at best its redundant, its what you do when you split lanes/filtering.
Consider an 11 foot lane adjacent to a 16 foot lane, with traffic stopped in both lanes near the right side of their respective lanes. That leaves a wide enough space to the left of the right line of cars, but to the right of the stripe dividing the two lanes, for motorcyclists and cyclists to use to filter forward. That would be lane-splitting without lane-straddling.
Originally Posted by San Rensho
(Post 6097531)
Lane splitting/filtering, which is passing cars by going between two lines of cars, regardless of its legality, is something I will do in very slow traffic, but realizing that it does carry a relative amount of risk over just taking the lane and flowing with traffic, I do it very cautiously.
Your definition of lane sharing is extremely dangerous and I avoid it at all costs. Its an invitation to get right hooked or left hooked by a car. Whenever a car comes right next to me, I take immediate evasive action to either get in front of or behind the car. |
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
(Post 6097637)
One example of lane-sharing, as I defined it, is what is required by law whenever a driver of a slow moving vehicle, a right-turning driver, is required to operate "as close as practicable to the right", or when a bicyclist is required to ride "as close as practicable to the right" that is wide enough" in an outside lane that is wide enough "for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane." Lane-sharing: Traveling fully within a lane, but alongside another vehicle in that same lane. The other vehicle may be lane-sharing or lane-straddling. And my point is riding alongside another vehicle is always one of the most dangerous things you can do on a bike. |
Originally Posted by San Rensho
(Post 6098412)
No, your definition of lane sharing is:
Lane-sharing: Traveling fully within a lane, but alongside another vehicle in that same lane. The other vehicle may be lane-sharing or lane-straddling. And my point is riding alongside another vehicle is always one of the most dangerous things you can do on a bike. |
Originally Posted by San Rensho
(Post 6098412)
No, your definition of lane sharing is:
Lane-sharing: Traveling fully within a lane, but alongside another vehicle in that same lane. The other vehicle may be lane-sharing or lane-straddling. And my point is riding alongside another vehicle is always one of the most dangerous things you can do on a bike. Anyway, I'll try to clean up the OP a bit on this point. Thanks. Edit: This lead to the following change in the OP: 02/02/08 Changed lane-sharing definition from:
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Originally Posted by joejack951
(Post 6098630)
In HH's examle, he's talking about a slow moving vehicle being alongside a faster moving vehicle. In order to be slow moving, the vehicle alongside must therefore be passing the slower vehicle. The alongside part only happens temporarily which greatly reduces the potential danger. Of course, I'm referring only to between intersections with that statement. At intersections, I would agree that it's not generally safe to be in a lane sharing position regardless of relative speeds.
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Originally Posted by msincredible
(Post 6093391)
In Europe it's called filtering.
I've added a definition for filtering forward to the OP. Please let me know whether what I wrote is consistent with your understanding. Thanks. |
I've also added definitions for controlling the lane and expanded on curbhugging.
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