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Old 02-06-08, 02:11 PM
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AZ news:"Speeding Bicyclists Anger Homeowners"

Another of the same us vs. them story. Neighbors don't like cyclist in their hood, cyclist say most are doing no wrong.

https://www.azcentral.com/community/s...ts0207-ON.html

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Old 02-06-08, 02:33 PM
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Either it is a public use road or not. If the homeowners assoc wants it to be exclusively private, they should build a replacement road so that their agreement with the city can be upheld.
Otherwise, what is the law in AZ for speeding on a private road? Can a cop write a ticket for speeding on a private rd.? If so, write them (cars or bikes) tickets if they speed.
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Old 02-06-08, 02:51 PM
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That's not really a reflection of the attitude of people in Arizona. It's more of a reflection of the attitude of people in North and North/East Scottsdale. North Scottsdale is a dump full of McMansions and chain restaurants. All the soulless, ignorant, inconsiderate nickel millionaires live there. The kind of people who would be responsible for these complaints about cyclists are the same kind of people who block the installation of solar panels because they feel it's not in keeping with the uniform faux adobe asthetic of their neighborhood.
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Old 02-06-08, 03:52 PM
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Screw private roads, I do Pizza delivery and there is nothing that is more of a waste of time than a gated community or a private road.

Soon I'm going to just start "falling asleep" on my horn when I come up to a closed gate.
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And, unsurprisingly, many of the comments on the article are beyond ********. They're also pretty typical of the average Phoenician's view of cyclists (tgrssn--I don't think that's all of Arizona's view--things are much, much better in Tucson and Flagstaff, for example. Even Tempe is much better than Phoenix proper). I was born, raised, and went to college in the Phoenix area, and I didn't start biking until I moved away. It honestly never even occurred to me while growing up that a bike might be a viable means of getting from point A to point B. Roads are extremely bike-unfriendly, speed limits are very high, and people drive quite aggressively. The extent to which people depend on cars is pretty depressing.
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Originally Posted by tgrssn View Post
That's not really a reflection of the attitude of people in Arizona. It's more of a reflection of the attitude of people in North and North/East Scottsdale. North Scottsdale is a dump full of McMansions and chain restaurants. All the soulless, ignorant, inconsiderate nickel millionaires live there. The kind of people who would be responsible for these complaints about cyclists are the same kind of people who block the installation of solar panels because they feel it's not in keeping with the uniform faux adobe asthetic of their neighborhood.
Wow, somebody's not hiding their jealosy well.
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Old 02-06-08, 06:45 PM
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Bingo

Quite a few of the folks who choose to live in such a community do so because they want their own little private gated world. Not realizing cyclists can have money too, they don't want riffraff befouling their paradise.
If you want your own private paradise, spend some real money, get some real acreage or an island of your own and post signs. Outside of that, your just another American slob sharing the planet.
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I can't help but wonder if some of the high end bikes are owned by folks in this subdivision.
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Originally Posted by popsicleian View Post
And, unsurprisingly, many of the comments on the article are beyond ********. They're also pretty typical of the average Phoenician's view of cyclists (tgrssn--I don't think that's all of Arizona's view--things are much, much better in Tucson and Flagstaff, for example. Even Tempe is much better than Phoenix proper). I was born, raised, and went to college in the Phoenix area, and I didn't start biking until I moved away. It honestly never even occurred to me while growing up that a bike might be a viable means of getting from point A to point B. Roads are extremely bike-unfriendly, speed limits are very high, and people drive quite aggressively. The extent to which people depend on cars is pretty depressing.
Oh, I know. I live in Tempe and commute to South Phoenix every day on my bike. There is a very strong cycling community here, it's great.
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Originally Posted by the AZ news article

...Homeowners say they dread backing out of driveways for fear of hitting riders...



Why don't they watch where <EDIT>the hell</EDIT> they're going when they back up then?

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Old 02-06-08, 08:58 PM
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I logged on hoping to start this post myself so I'm glad it's already been started. I've lived in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area for 18 years and I must say the people of Arizona are not the nicest, especially the drivers. I'm currently looking to move to Portland in September for a much needed change of scenery and attitude. The drivers here scare me and I do my best to stay well away from them when on my bike and in my car.
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Originally Posted by melinda923 View Post
I'm currently looking to move to Portland in September for a much needed change of scenery and attitude.
Welcome to the Pacific Northwest!

How can people cycle in Phoenix? When I was there last summer it was 116 degrees!
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Old 02-07-08, 10:19 AM
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move to Portland, ride your bike!
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Old 02-07-08, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by swc7916 View Post
Welcome to the Pacific Northwest!

How can people cycle in Phoenix? When I was there last summer it was 116 degrees!
Thanks! I can't wait to move up the nice cool, green Pacific Northwest. I think all our brains have been fried from the heat here. lol.
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Originally Posted by swc7916 View Post
Welcome to the Pacific Northwest!

How can people cycle in Phoenix? When I was there last summer it was 116 degrees!
You should see how we bundle up to keep warm at 80 degrees and below
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Old 02-07-08, 02:08 PM
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AMen, Webist! with highs in the low 60s lately, I haven't even been On the bike! too cold!
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Originally Posted by melinda923 View Post
I logged on hoping to start this post myself so I'm glad it's already been started. I've lived in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area for 18 years and I must say the people of Arizona are not the nicest, especially the drivers. I'm currently looking to move to Portland in September for a much needed change of scenery and attitude. The drivers here scare me and I do my best to stay well away from them when on my bike and in my car.

This problem is probably not limited to that area, as well as drivers not appreciating bicyclists on the road. I'll bet one of those "gated" homes has an owner or one of their kids who is out on a bike.

They don't own the road. Or the shopping mall, nor the corner store. Sigh. I get really tired of informing drivers of the fact that we are legal to be there and that we actually have the same rights as them on the road. I get a blank stare.

<snarl>
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Hmmm.

This may be a first & last for me, but it sounds like the cyclists are out of line here.

The reason I don't think this is a kars uber alles story is that these homeowners would no doubt be MUCH more upset if it were cars, and just AS upset were it scooterers, skaters, skateboarders or the like.

They just don't want the stress.

And we, the cyclists, should respect that.
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Yea I saw this on Cazbike.org
Another reason to not allow private communities in the first place.
They have to get zonnning in the first place right.

How many times do I have to cycle around something because we can't provide right aways.

I love the alterantive Shea,
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Hmmm.

This may be a first & last for me, but it sounds like the cyclists are out of line here.

The reason I don't think this is a kars uber alles story is that these homeowners would no doubt be MUCH more upset if it were cars, and just AS upset were it scooterers, skaters, skateboarders or the like.

They just don't want the stress.

And we, the cyclists, should respect that.
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Once Randya's graduated from high school, he'll better understand the stresses that adults have to deal with, including nuisance gatherings like the ones described in the OP.

It's not a cycling or anti-cycling thing; it's just about respecting other people's rights.

If this were cars, it would have been shut down ASAP.

Because it's cyclists, it appears that MORE leeway is being given.

This is good in a sense, but the cyclists should abide by residential speed limits (usually 15 - 25 mph), and behave in other's neighborhoods as they would want others to behave in theirs.
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It sounds like they're probably exceeding the 20mph speed limit, but I can't imagine drivers going 20mph down hills either. The thing I find annoying about this is that homes were built on what sounds like a fun road, and a gate was put in. Honestly, I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who end up building their houses on such roads.
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People that live in those kinds of areas can't judge speed worth a **** too.
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Honestly, if I owned a private road and didn't want bicyclist speeding on it.... Install speed bumps from curb to curb... problem solved.
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speed bumps are worse for SUVs than bikes

what's the address? I'll come and pee in the bushes!
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