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tomcryar 02-12-08 09:14 PM

Is there really any point to Critical mass anymore?
 
I mean, seriously. What it's become in the last couple of years, is a disorganized, everyone for himself, free-for-all, of people who take the opportunity to ride "unabated" once a month, and who are generally disrepectful of any laws whatsover. Is there anyone who really thinks that these kind of rides will promote anything but "disrespect" for cyclists? Think about it: How do you gain respect on the road?


You gain it by respecting the laws. You gain it by "meshing" with motorists. You gain it most of all, by giving up your attitude that you think your are somehow "better" than the person in the car, or truck, simply because you are riding a bike. That doesn't fly no matter what situation you're in......you're no better than the people around you in any given situation. If you take the low road, they'll respond accordingly. Same as if you take the high road.

Like I said, if you want respect, earn it. Don't ***** when people yell at you for breaking the law.

Now, I know, some people will be say that "we have to!" But no, you don't. You can ride and promote advocacy everywhere you go, everytime you ride, simply by "advocating" riding within the limits of the law, until such a time as people may realize that some laws need to be changed. Until then, you Critical Masser's are really defeating the purpose of us trying to share the road.............

Bekologist 02-12-08 09:18 PM

how do you feel about weekend club fred riders flagrantly breaking traffic laws, as currently being discussed in the VC forum?

I think most motorists in the USA are MUCH MORE familiar with NON-critical mass group rides chafing the motorists' chamois, so to speak....

In Colorado, wasn't the state's response to a big citizen ride going to be banning large group rides in the state? Thanks, critical mass :rolleyes:

maddyfish 02-12-08 09:30 PM

Was there ever a point?

tomcryar 02-12-08 09:48 PM

I think that people in the USA, are much, much more familiar with the way cyclists in general flout the laws, simply because they think they are better----which is the reason for "critical" mass. People "think" they are doing things to promote cycling. They're not, in this case.

Bekologist 02-12-08 09:50 PM

actually, tom, critical mass rides are emphatically NOT intended to be "promotional" or advocacy rides, despite your assumptions.

tomcryar 02-12-08 09:56 PM

Then, what is the point? What exactly are they trying to do, other than set back real advocacy by several years? What is the point? I see, along with many others, that nothing good has ever come out these rides. They don't promote safe, motor-vehicle enmeshing behavior, they do nothing to promote anything except the awareness that cyclists disobey traffic laws.

Blue Order 02-12-08 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bekologist (Post 6155686)
actually, tom, critical mass rides are emphatically NOT intended to be "promotional" or advocacy rides, despite your assumptions.

I don't know, I've heard from several proponents that they are intended to be promotional and advocacy rides. Must be one of those "have your cake and eat it too" things.

randya 02-12-08 10:00 PM

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randya 02-12-08 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by tomcryar (Post 6155719)
Then, what is the point? What exactly are they trying to do, other than set back real advocacy by several years? What is the point? I see, along with many others, that nothing good has ever come out these rides. They don't promote safe, motor-vehicle enmeshing behavior, they do nothing to promote anything except the awareness that cyclists disobey traffic laws.

ever been on one? motorist reaction is 90+% positive. of course, police and media reaction are another story entirely.

tomcryar 02-12-08 10:05 PM

You post "beating a dead horse", then you still want a reaction? I don't understand.

randya 02-12-08 10:05 PM

OK, now I've broken my rule never to post in another BF CM thread ever again.

:o

-=(8)=- 02-12-08 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by tomcryar (Post 6155493)
I mean, seriously. What it's become in the last couple of years, is a disorganized, everyone for himself, free-for-all, of people who take the opportunity to ride "unabated" once a month, and who are generally disrepectful of any laws whatsover.


Never looked at it like that........Maybe it should be called VC instead ? :beer:

-=(8)=- 02-12-08 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by randya (Post 6155769)
OK, now I've broken my rule never to post in another BF CM thread ever again.

:o

Im just going to troll with the similarities they share with LBS club rides that feature 'good' cyclists.

randya 02-12-08 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by tomcryar (Post 6155763)
You post "beating a dead horse", then you still want a reaction? I don't understand.

I don't understand why you thought it was necessary to start this thread, either (unless you're really bored and your blood pressure is too low)

tomcryar 02-12-08 10:23 PM

Sorry to provoke your anger my highness, it'll never happen again..............

tomcryar 02-12-08 10:33 PM

Sorry, I shouldn't have bent down to that level. I posted this thread because I'm really sick and tired of "cyclists" proclaiming that they belong on the road when they do nothing to help to promote anything besides their "right". The right to be on the road is nonexistent. There is no right. There is, however, a certain unwritten law that everybody should be abiding by. If you don't know what it is, then go.

randya 02-12-08 10:36 PM

I'm just curious if critical mass is big in your area or if you are just responding to the hysteria? because really, neither cyclists nor motorists have an upper hand on angelic behavior on the road. See the 'cycling in miami' thread (or any number of other threads here) for non-CM examples of lousy behavior by both groups.

tomcryar 02-12-08 10:39 PM

hysteria?

Bekologist 02-12-08 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by tomcryar (Post 6155948)
hysteria?

Yep. Ever ridden one, tom? how DOES CM affect St Petersburg bicycling?


Originally Posted by randya
motorist reaction is 90+% positive. of course, police and media reaction are another story entirely.

is a more accurate analysis of CM rides, tim. of course, a hysterical fearmonger wouldn't be in touch with what actually transpires during a CM ride. I get more (positive) waves as a bicyclist during CM than the entire rest of my bicycling....

tomcryar 02-12-08 10:54 PM

I get more positive feedback when I am waiting in line, like other vehicles, then going with the flow----just like other vehicles. than I do when I have tried to "make my point" known, like so many people who do nothing for advocacy.

randya 02-12-08 10:56 PM

most CM participants don't make that ride the focal point of their advocacy. CM is for fun.

Allister 02-12-08 11:00 PM

I think cyclists should have a critical mass every day. Do these people only ride once a month?

randya 02-12-08 11:03 PM

of course not, almost everyone I know that rides in CM is into all sorts of bike stuff 24/7/365

Bekologist 02-12-08 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by tomcryar (Post 6155914)
Sorry, I shouldn't have bent down to that level. I posted this thread because I'm really sick and tired of "cyclists" proclaiming that they belong on the road when they do nothing to help to promote anything besides their "right". The right to be on the road is nonexistent. There is no right. There is, however, a certain unwritten law that everybody should be abiding by. If you don't know what it is, then go.

I don't think you're complaining about critical mass riders, tom. I really don't.

your whatever-it-is you ascribe to bicyclists that take part in world-wide CM rides is far off-target, tom.

Critical mass is not the "problem". you are complaining about curbhuggers and wrong way riders, darknighters and bicyclists that flagrantly break the rules, i think.

Most motorists will never encounter a critical mass ride.

tomcryar 02-12-08 11:04 PM

So, it's fun to disobey the traffic laws, and put other vehicles in a bind. Yes, I can see where that would be fun. But, it's highly dis-respectful of others who share the road, and do so legitimately. Your attitude, when riding on the road, is all you have to deal with people who don't want you there. Why participate in something that does nothing to promote safe cycyling?


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