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Old 02-16-08, 01:04 PM
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What word in 'bike lane' don't drivers understand?

I've photographed cars and trucks in bike lanes, written a column and gone on TV and as the Orange County Register Outdoors Columnist this is the biggest debate over safety I've seen. Check out the comments, or leave your own: https://www.ocregister.com/section/da...545642-places/
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Thank you, thank you and THANK YOU for your efforts, Mr. Whiting !!


Media everywhere can use people like you.

Here in Fl. bicyclists are 666. The people running you off the road might
be the people in charge of enforcing the 'rules'. It is so hostile I think
insurance companies offer a discount to people who do hit us.
What can be done to change a culture that has been decades in the making ?
I dont know if anything can at this point but a respected and vocal
personality such as you are is a huge step in whatever direction we need to
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Judging from the comments a lot of people don't seem to know the difference between a bike lane and a shoulder.
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I sometimes have the opposite problem, i.e., motorists who do not realize that they are supposed to merge into the bike lane on final approach for a right turn.
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I don't see the problem. Cars are on the road. Watch for them. They may be anywhere at any time. Take up space. Be seen, don't hide over at the side of the road, bikelane or not. If you hide at the side, you die.
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Once again, someone does something positive for their bike
community only to be petty semantisized / bashed here.
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"I had a very close call with an SUV (yes, somehow SUV's seem to be bigger problem ... is there a trend?) that very arbitrarily turned into our path in a parking lot. To me bike lanes are too dangerous, and I rarely ride on surface streets. For me there are just a few trials on which I would now ride my bike."
That was taken from the comments.

I think there is a reason SUV drivers are angry. They have a car which costs 50% more to operate and provides no extra benefits! Well, unless they have a boat and a decent SUV.
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Old 02-16-08, 08:53 PM
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Looks like a shoulder to me, and yes, I know, suppose to stay off the shoulder too, however you'll find this done often on two lane (one each way) twisty roads that are rated at 45+mph with NO bicycle/ped traffic. I admit I do it too, of course on any roads I know people travel on, I don't do anything of the sort. Also I'm not drifting (lawl dual meaning), it's intentional.

As for bike lanes, if it's drift, it's drift, they'll drift if it's a shoulder, or anything less than a bloody wall.
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Old 02-16-08, 09:19 PM
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The only people I see intentionally driving down shoulders and bike lanes that aren't bikes are scooter riders and motorcyclists. As for idiots who drift into the lanes... it seems like sometimes they center themselves in the middle of the lane, rather than their vehicle. Unless they're driving a McLaren FI, the drivers seat isn't the middle of the car. Why don't people understand?
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Usually when I see a motorist drift into a bike lane or shoulder, it's right after they pass me. I can only assume that motorist's drift is from over correcting after crossing the center line during the passing manuver, since it happens so often the same way by differents motorists. I rarely see a motorist intentionally drive in one of our bike lane or shoulders, double parked or parked over the line is more a common occurrence.
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Old 02-17-08, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by syn0n View Post
The only people I see intentionally driving down shoulders and bike lanes that aren't bikes are scooter riders and motorcyclists. As for idiots who drift into the lanes... it seems like sometimes they center themselves in the middle of the lane, rather than their vehicle. Unless they're driving a McLaren FI, the drivers seat isn't the middle of the car. Why don't people understand?
Yellow line madness, basically: Two lanes 50mph each way = I want to be FAR away from that person in an SUV reading a newspaper while going around a corner.
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Old 02-17-08, 06:39 AM
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Dang!!

I kind of wish more drivers would do their thing in more of the bike lane/paved shoulder, when there's no cyclists present, sweeping it clean of gravel and road debris, but this is not legal under FL law.

Yes, around here anyway, they are supposed to merge into the BL, after checking for approaching cyclists, to execute a right turn. This helps mitigate the problem of right hooks. But a lot of people don't seem to know they are supposed to do this. A lot of people also don't seem to know what a turn signal is. Which leaves it up to the cyclist to be vigilant in avoiding collisions.

Got the link to open.
It does not amaze me anymore how many motorists are ignorant of the law. When drivers begin to obey the law, I'll be concerned with cyclists not obeying the law.

The points brought up in this article, and resulting comments, merely illustrate how bike lanes are for the convenience of motorists and do nothing to enhance the safety of cyclists.

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Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
Dang!!


Yes, around here anyway, they are supposed to merge into the BL, after checking for approaching cyclists, to execute a right turn. This helps mitigate the problem of right hooks. But a lot of people don't seem to know they are supposed to do this. A lot of people also don't seem to know what a turn signal is. Which leaves it up to the cyclist to be vigilant in avoiding collisions.

Signals dont operate here, I can only assume.
Another wack phenomenon is the 'Beeper'....no signal but they start
beeping about 20 yards behind to inform you you need to slow down
in the bike lane and cede ROW to them so they can turn right in front
of you...Obviously, this isnt going to happen so when they slam on the
brakes to the left of you, you get to be witness to a royal flip out
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I drive up and down a bike lane street for my job delivering auto parts. I see idiots driving with their tire in the middle of the bike lane, like it wasn't even there. In fact people drive over these lines so much, they're wearing away to nothing. I truly believe the City Of Houston only painted the lines to shut the cyclist advocates up anyway, and now they're wearing away. I guess we'll have to scream twice as loud to get them repainted. I bet they lost the little bicycle stencils, lol.,,,,BD
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Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=- View Post
Once again, someone does something positive for their bike
community only to be petty semantisized / bashed here.
No it's just that all this faith that bike lanes solve all the problems is a joke. It is just a line painted on the road. All it does is give you a false sense of security. And encourage you, and people who wouldn't normally ride on a bikelane-less road, not to pay complete attention.
Bikelane or not, you still have to be seen, and pay attention. If a bikelane puts you in a position where you won't be seen, you have to move out if it, or you'll die. A bikelane puts you over at the side of the road where drivers can ignore and forget you. Now wonder people get killed in them. And if you use a bike lane at an intersection, when passing a driveway, or entrace/exit you're insane and going to be road kill. Move (or on my case stay) left at all intersections, driveways, or entrance/exits regardless of bikelanes.
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Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
No it's just that all this faith that bike lanes solve all the problems is a joke. It is just a line painted on the road. All it does is give you a false sense of security. And encourage you, and people who wouldn't normally ride on a bikelane-less road, not to pay complete attention.
Your lack of knowledge about me and the area I ride in combined with the fact
that no one who promotes bike lanes thinks they 'solve all the problems' make
you not worth responding to further. You only reinforce my theory that we are as
much of an enemy to ourselves as the SUVs that assault us.
Myopic VCealotism at its worst.
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Thanks David! Keep up the good work!

Auto madness in america is out of control. 30 bicyclists killed on orange county in the last TWO years? and some bicyclists like maddyfish are blaming bike lanes for the deaths and not the motorists?
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Originally Posted by DavidWhiting View Post
I've photographed cars and trucks in bike lanes, written a column and gone on TV and as the Orange County Register Outdoors Columnist this is the biggest debate over safety I've seen. Check out the comments, or leave your own: https://www.ocregister.com/section/da...545642-places/
From the pics posted, the problem doesn't seem as bad as a similar one up here in "bike friendly" Vancouver.

I posted a thread about it in December https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...776&highlight=

(incidently, nothing has happened to resolve the situation and I think I'll bring in my camera on a day off just to take some pics to show to some as David has done)

First, traffic is light and the drivers don't seem to be conflicting with cyclists.

Second, the pics are taken on a curve where motor vehicles tend to drift when they're going too fast and have the space.

Third, only 2 of the 6 pics show vehicles right in the lane. Others pics show only a partial encroachment.

Like I said, I'll try to get out and show how bad it is in my section. If I'm lucky, I'll get a pic of a driver right on the tail of a cyclist directly in the lane (and I won't get assaulted for standing by the road taking pics)
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Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=- View Post
Your lack of knowledge about me and the area I ride in combined with the fact
that no one who promotes bike lanes thinks they 'solve all the problems' make
you not worth responding to further. You only reinforce my theory that we are as
much of an enemy to ourselves as the SUVs that assault us.
Myopic VCealotism at its worst.
I took the "you" in Maddy's post to be a generic "you", not directed at anyone in particular. As such, in that context and in my experience, which the article in the OP reinforces, he is completely correct about bike lanes.
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If that is the case, I stand corrected. But, I dont know even where Wakulla Co. is(north??)
but it must be more bike friendly than S.Fl, the most violent place IVe ever lived.
I openly challenge any non-bike lane people to come take a lane anywhere from
Miami to West Palm Beach....Wait, I take that back.......Please dont try to take a lane
here. I would like you to be alive when you post why your change of attitude regarding lanes.
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Due south of Tallahassee (Leon Co.), on the coast. I agree that traffic here is much easier to deal with compared to south FL, but I doubt that you are assuming that this is the only place I've ever lived and ridden on a continuous day-to-day basis.
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From what I've seen, motorists drifting into or driving in bike lanes either aren't aware of bicyclists' rights and other traffic laws or just don't seem to care. While returning home in a taxicab after a grocery run, the driver drifted into the bike lane and stayed there. When I pointed out that the lane was for bicyclists, the cabbie said, " What do you mean? Bicycles don't belong on the road." I've also seen people's blood pressure go through the roof behind slower transit buses or other traffic. At other times, motorists would drift over, speed up, and lay on the horn when they knew cyclists were in the lane in front of them. I could go on, but I'm sure that it's wrong to continue this arrogance and stupidity.
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Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
Thanks David! Keep up the good work!

Auto madness in america is out of control. 30 bicyclists killed on orange county in the last TWO years? and some bicyclists like maddyfish are blaming bike lanes for the deaths and not the motorists?
I don't blame the bike lanes, I don't see bike lanes as solving anything, and in addition to their failure to solve anything, the create a whole host of problems. Like bike lane right hooks. Like worrying that a car might swerve into the bike lane. Like the expectation that a bike will only be in the bike lane, where a bike lane is present ( who needs to turn left anyway? right!)
Bike lanes do nothing to make a cyclist safer and add a host of hazards to riding that are un-needed.
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If that is the case, I stand corrected. But, I dont know even where Wakulla Co. is(north??)
but it must be more bike friendly than S.Fl, the most violent place IVe ever lived.
I openly challenge any non-bike lane people to come take a lane anywhere from
Miami to West Palm Beach....Wait, I take that back.......Please dont try to take a lane
here. I would like you to be alive when you post why your change of attitude regarding lanes.
I visited Dade county 2 summers ago and found it to be fine riding all around.

EDIT___ And here's a link to a post in DECEMBER where I said the same thing. https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...ighlight=miami

I loved Dad county/ Miami, and rode alot. And I DON'T use bike lanes. A fine place to ride, if you have a brain, if you take up space, if you are seen, and if you ride like you belong there. If not stick to the kiddie lane ( bike lane)

Gee, I wonder if it's a difference in our riding style? Or did the drivers just amazingly get nicer while I was there?

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I'm a segregationist when it comes to bikes and motorcars. Bike lanes that are nothing more than lines painted on the asphalt are next to useless and will always be invaded by vehicles. What you need are proper bike paths, like ours here in Seville. Here's a picture of one:

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