Town of Jupiter Island vs. The Bicycle
This town and a few others nearby are trying to set their own limits as to how many bicycles can ride in a group. The motorists from this town are specifically targeting weekend training groups that take up the entire lane.
The Jupiter Island Public Safety Department has scheduled a meeting that they call a "bicycle safety workshop" on April 11, 2008 @ 7 pm at the Jupiter Island Town Hall, located at 2 S.E. Bridge Road, Hobe Sound Florida. To attend, you must RSVP with Melissa Cianton with the JIPSD @ 772-545-0112 The purpose of the meeting is to: . Converse on ways to improve the bicycle safety on the roads of Jupiter Island. . Come up with some positive solutions to the ongoing issues relating to large groups and packs who ride on the roadways of Jupiter Island. . Discuss the Florida Statute 316 and how it relates to bicycles (Hello? It is specifically about bicycles). . The potential changes by the Jupiter Island Town Commissioners relating to bicycle riders. They want to "hear your comments and suggestions on the matter at hand". _______________ I hope to make it, but I can't promise because of my school and work obligations however, I would like to encourage anyone who lives in the area to RSVP and attend. Who knows what these crazy people are going to do with the ordinances in their town... Next thing you know, bicycles will be outlawed and everyone must drive an SUV. |
Sounds like they are confusing "safety" and "convenience."
I hope that the people of Jupiter Island have the sense to check with competent legal counsel before wasting a lot of the taxpayers' money. Florida law prohibits municipalities from enacting traffic laws that contravene state law. And Florida state law is pretty generous in the rights it gives to cyclists. |
Go and fight. Several cycling advocates from Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego Counties did a superb job shooting down the City of Dana Point's proposed ban on bicycles on Coast Highway 101.
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is riding more than "two abreast" #(6) an enforceable offence? are the bicyclists "taking the lane" for safety reasons? are the bicyclists "sharing the road" or is it like a "critical mass" ride down there?
thanks for the clarity! |
Originally Posted by John E
(Post 6451767)
Go and fight. Several cycling advocates from Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego Counties did a superb job shooting down the City of Dana Point's proposed ban on bicycles on Coast Highway 101.
It can bring to light some good tips for the cyclists in our area to fight these communists, oops.. I mean, commissioners. |
Here's what they wanted to enact in Dana Point: http://danapointdocs.org/agendas/08-23-06/19.pdf
Here's a summary of what happened: http://www.cabobike.org/pchban.htm Powerpoint shown to the area clubs, which includes the presentation given to the city traffic commission: http://www.cyclistview.com/danapoint/index.htm |
Originally Posted by LCI_Brian
(Post 6453346)
Here's what they wanted to enact in Dana Point: http://danapointdocs.org/agendas/08-23-06/19.pdf
Here's a summary of what happened: http://www.cabobike.org/pchban.htm Powerpoint shown to the area clubs, which includes the presentation given to the city traffic commission: http://www.cyclistview.com/danapoint/index.htm |
Originally Posted by LCI_Brian
(Post 6453346)
Here's what they wanted to enact in Dana Point: http://danapointdocs.org/agendas/08-23-06/19.pdf
Here's a summary of what happened: http://www.cabobike.org/pchban.htm Powerpoint shown to the area clubs, which includes the presentation given to the city traffic commission: http://www.cyclistview.com/danapoint/index.htm I take particular offense at this particular line of reasoning: "No person shall ride, use or propel a bicycle, scooter, skateboard, roller skates or other wheeled toy..." Their thinking was too obvious... I wonder however what they might consider a classic car bought only for "cruising." Certainly seems like a "wheeled toy" to me. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by tomg
(Post 6451835)
is riding more than "two abreast" #(6) an enforceable offence?
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I'd urge anyone living there to attend the meeting even if you're not going to speak. You won't get a sense of what goes down otherwise--official reports will leave out most of what you'd want to hear about. Plus, sheer numnbers of bodies make a difference. Be carrying your helmet to indicate where you stand...
At the meeting, be reasonable and calm--refute what others might have misrepresented, but don't rant. This is not the venue to spew forth all your built up anger at motorists, this is the time to show how reasonable you are. |
I would think that the presence of commuters, with helmets and bags of stuff, might carry special weight: not (to stereotype from the motorists' perspective) those wacky aggressive unpredictable roadies, but people just trying to get from one place to another.
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Tiger Woods lives in Jupiter Island. Get his buddy Lance to give his opinion on the topic...
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So cyclists are objecting to the fact that they might not be allowed to ride two or three abreast and block the lane, thus creating danger for themselves as well as motorists who are force to change lanes to pass them? Where I live, cyclists are required by law to ride single file.
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Originally Posted by Cone Wrench
(Post 6454961)
So cyclists are objecting to the fact that they might not be allowed to ride two or three abreast and block the lane, thus creating danger for themselves as well as motorists who are force to change lanes to pass them? Where I live, cyclists are required by law to ride single file.
There is hardly any danger to motorists changing lanes. |
The town could solve this problem by painting bike lanes. My take on the Florida keep-right law is that it would require cyclists to use bike lanes.
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Originally Posted by genec
(Post 6455230)
Wait a minute... if motorists are changing lanes anyway... what does it matter if you are one or many abreast. And just how dangerous is it for motorists to change lanes... they do it all the time... some even weave in and out of traffic as if it is standing still.
There is hardly any danger to motorists changing lanes. |
Originally Posted by Cone Wrench
(Post 6455708)
Well, I was thinking more about two lane highways where the car has to wait at 20 to 30 mph on a 50 mph highway while a pack meanders down the road. Even if the driver follows all the rules and only passes when it is safe, there is still inherently increased risk from going into the oncoming traffic lane. Public highways are not really intended for organized sporting events.
Perhaps we should just consider that said motorist is "well convenienced" and should have no problem waiting just a bit in their comfortable multi-passenger vehicle. :) It's all a matter of perspective. |
If groups are prohibited, then the alternative is to have each cyclist ride as an individual with 20ft spacing between them. I'd guess that motorists would find that even more problematic.
Al |
Originally Posted by noisebeam
(Post 6456106)
If groups are prohibited, then the alternative is to have each cyclist ride as an individual with 20ft spacing between them. I'd guess that motorists would find that even more problematic.
Al I do have to admire their restraint. A lot of places would have just told the cops to go out and ticket the cyclists. |
Im going to try to be there.
The speed limit is 25 mph on the parts of the island that I might believe the most vocal complaints would come from, well under what fast roadies can do, so Its really is just a case of the bourgeous yup trash that plagues the island not liking cyclists. Also, the cyclists will 'lose'. These proceedings are just going through the motions. Money rules all here. Unless we can outmoney them by tithing the proper officials, there will be no more club rides. |
Originally Posted by Cone Wrench
(Post 6455708)
Well, I was thinking more about two lane highways where the car has to wait at 20 to 30 mph on a 50 mph highway while a pack meanders down the road. Even if the driver follows all the rules and only passes when it is safe, there is still inherently increased risk from going into the oncoming traffic lane. Public highways are not really intended for organized sporting events.
Public roads are for people, and not just people in motor vehicles. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by DCCommuter
(Post 6456194)
Alternately, if they limit the size of groups, as they are proposing, what they would get is more, smaller groups, which I don't think would make anyone happy either.
I do have to admire their restraint. A lot of places would have just told the cops to go out and ticket the cyclists. |
As far as I know, there's no limitations on what anyone can use a road for. Anyone that claims anyone else should only use the road for 'legitimate' purposes is an idiot. As far as I'm concerned, if a motorist has to wait the entire length of the road before they can overtake safely, whether they believe they should be there or not, stiff ***** - that's the law.
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Originally Posted by Allister
(Post 6456788)
As far as I know, there's no limitations on what anyone can use a road for. Anyone that claims anyone else should only use the road for 'legitimate' purposes is an idiot. As far as I'm concerned, if a motorist has to wait the entire length of the road before they can overtake safely, whether they believe they should be there or not, stiff ***** - that's the law.
And of course who knows what laws can be quickly passed to make life difficult... |
The daily traffic jam on any road could just as logically be called a 'parade'. A group of like vehicles travelling in the same direction at the same time is not automatically a 'parade' just because some impatient drivers want to stop it. Whether it's 'organised' or not is irrelevant.
Personally, I'm hoping reasonableness prevails, and this issue is rejected for the selfishness it is. |
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