Sounds like someone didn't get enough hugs growing up.

Watch out everyone, it's the internet tough guy.:rolleyes:

I wouldn't do that. Elbowing someone is assault. But there are people here who would, or just squeeze you off the path.

I am polite and expect others to be polite. If they are rude and clueless then I don't care about them. But I won't touch them.

Sure it would...internet tough guys, meet em everywhere. :lol:
Must make you feel really manly elbowing clueless kids and little old ladies. :rolleyes:

Nice back pedal...but it seems to me that you are just as rude and clueless and those you rail against.
Two lefts make a right, but two wrongs don't.

I never claimed to be right. Don't think I accused you of being wrong at any point. OK, I went back and looked. I used the phrase "You got it wrong" plain as day.

For the record: Kids and old ladies would be very rare on "my" MUP, especially the times I use it. It is also rare that I have problems at all, or I wouldn't use the thing. Seems though, every time I have a problem it involves a person or persons positioned on the path improperly while listening to music. I can see the cord. My "polite" option would be to slow to walking speed and tap them on the shoulder, hope they don't jump into my lap or elbow me in the face from being startled, then ask them kindly if I may pass them pretty please using the space that I am entitled to on the path.

Screw all that. I just ain't that nice. Zone out at your own risk. I am not begging strangers to allow me to use the path. My brushing some knucklehead is wrong too. I freely admit that. Some people understand nothing but that kind of wakeup call. They definitely don't pay attention to signage on the path.

If you condone proper path use as a do-whatever-you-please with no regard for anyone else on this earth, then you are w-r-o-n-g. (Or just messing with me to pass the time). If you are just hating on me for brushing the occasional ZombiPod, then sir, we are in agreement that is not very nice of me.

Now you're contradicting yourself...first you say you brush them, then you say you don't, now you say you do again? Let me put it in simple English for you:

1. It is YOUR responsibility to pass safely, no matter how rude or clueless the person you are passing is.
2. Brushing or whatever not only makes you a jerk, it also makes you guilty of assault and would probably provoke someone like me to chase you down, give you a public spanking and make you apologize to the person you 'brushed'.
3. If you think any of the above is w-r-o-n-g, tough crap.

I brush them. That means to me that they feel the wind created by me as I pass them. I do not touch them. I misused the term "brushed" apparently.

You obviously are the moral character god of the MUP. Good for you. I am a bad boy and deserve to be spanked. I will go and get my wife to oblige me in that undertaking right now.

First thing you've had to say in this thread that makes sense! :D

I'm willing to end it on that note if you are.

BTW...why no pic of the Snow Bike?

Because it won't fit in the allowed sig width...and it's just a beater hybrid.
http://www.chipcom.net/bikes/rt24.jpg

Man, I don't know how you folks up yonder deal with snow on a regular basis.

When you said snow bike my mind went directly to images like this:

http://www.wildfirecycles.com/Mark%2...0on%20ride.jpg
Photo Credit

I own a Surly Pugsley. It's my sand bike. Draws a little too much attention for my use, but is a very fun ride.

Who didn't get the hugs--a knob who makes smart-alecky, useless, ill-informed, and *anonymous* posts, or? If the shoe fits . . .

I completely agree. I ride with my headphones and iPod every single day *gasp!*. and safely. Never have I encountered a situation where my music impeded upon my safety. And I ride in Boston and NYC. How?

1.)Use my vision to stay alert and pay attention to cars/peds/dogs/potholes/crackheads. Signal if I need to.
2.)Keep the volume turned down enough so I can hear the swoosh of a car approaching at least 40ft behind me(that takes some adjusting) USING OPEN AIR HEADPHONES ONLY
because open air headphones sit on top of your ears and don't block out sound. With the volume turned down I can hear cars, purring cats, and the clicking of my freewheel as I cruise.

Open air types of headphones are the only ones I would say are safe at all while cycling. Period. I can't stress this enough. I'm all for listening to music while biking/jogging on streets but I agree it's almost gaurenteed for a cyclist to be oblivious to his/her surroundings with in-ear buds or circumaural heaphones with foam cups because those types of headphones are designed to block out sound and with music blasting through those it's impossible to hear anything. I would even discourage just wearing one earbud because then you still can't hear out of that ear.

Before I wore a helmet I used these:
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Now I use these:
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I own both of these but never ever ever use them biking:
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3) Although this probably matter much less important than the above, I find instrumental music (without words) to be less distracting.

I seem to have a hard time getting this across to friends I've run into who have worn earbuds and even noise canceling Bose headphones while biking. Fools.

I think a poll should be recast to include an option for the type of headphones because yes, it matters.

we've prohibited iPods/MP3 players on our club rides because riders who use them were consistently missing verbal exchanges and warnings.
even more problematic is that since they didn't pay sufficient attention, they were subsequently not "calling" things like potholes, glass, grates, and other potential dangers to those following.
we had *enough* and declared that those problematic music devices were no longer permitted.

I wouldn't want to use an iPod on a club ride, either.

Just shows to go you. Riding so close together in a group on public roads that a cyclist's safety is dependent on others to call out warnings for road hazards that would otherwise be in plain sight seems rather clueless to me. I wouldn't want to be on such club rides with or without an iPod. Different strokes for different folks, eh?

high-speed, tight pacelines aren't your bag, that's cool, too.

That is true. My bag includes listening to and enjoying music or audio books while I ride at my own pace. Enjoy whatever type of riding you like.

To OP of this thread and other Safety Nannys who wish to control the cycling enjoyment of others for their alleged own good, it is also cool to appreciate that "clueless" may be in the mind of the beholder.

My view also. The most I ride with any more is 5 people, and that's on rare occasions when everyone feels like heading out to the lake.
I'm also very prone to changing routes in favor of an interesting road or trail, hard to do with a group.

Ken.