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Old 12-02-03, 08:51 PM
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Bikes not bombs.... a national ride in!

Organizing a national bike to work protest against the use
of foreign oil...... for an entire week in May 2004, everyone
should bike to work or to their nearest Mass Transit location
and not use gas vehicles for a week.
Lets rally these masses! Those boys are dying for oil
not weapons of mass destruction, lets stand with our
troops for their lives mean more than oil to us back home!
Your efforts could save lives.
May 15-22, bikes not bombs, pass it on!

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What a cool idea -- except I already commute by bike, how can I change anything to register my protest? Sigh.

Before the war, the U.S. had 22.4 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, according to Oil and Gas Journal. Iraq has 112 billion barrels of proven oil reserves. Does that mean that the U.S. now has 124 billion barrels of proven oil reserves under its control? Of course, the war may have had much more to do with creating the opportunity for no competition bid contracts to Cheney's friends at Haliburton to reconstruct Iraq than it had in capturing oil for the benefit of the U.S. public.
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Just a small suggestion....

This is really a good idea, for lots of reasons besides a protest against foreign oil. You would probably be more successful however; if you didn't start out by ruling out the car for the whole week. Remember that most of these folks drive any distance above about 500 yards. To the uninitiated a week without a car is inconcievable. Perhaps biking to work one day, or a lap around city hall at sunset, or just not buying any gasoline on one particular day would generate more participation.

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more info?

Rob-
I'd love to spread the word, hopefully there will be more information forthcoming as the date gets closer? In the form of printable flyers or news releases, perhpas? Some stuff to consider.
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I'd love to spread the word, hopefully there will be more information forthcoming as the date gets closer? In the form of printable flyers or news releases, perhpas? Some stuff to consider.
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I would be interested if there was more info to pass on to the local organizations here.
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Originally Posted by marlamarla
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I'd love to spread the word, hopefully there will be more information forthcoming as the date gets closer? In the form of printable flyers or news releases, perhpas? Some stuff to consider.
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I'd flyer NYC
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Originally Posted by DanFromDetroit
Just a small suggestion...This is really a good idea, for lots of reasons besides a protest against foreign oil. You would probably be more successful however; if you didn't start out by ruling out the car for the whole week. Remember that most of these folks drive any distance above about 500 yards. To the uninitiated a week without a car is inconcievable. Perhaps biking to work one day, or a lap around city hall at sunset, or just not buying any gasoline on one particular day would generate more participation.Dan
There's been a national bike to work day around for years now...hardly a dent has been made in the motoring masses. To quote an infamous Motor City band, the MC5, 'It's time to get down, it's time to testify'; this will take organization, publicity and persistence. I say, the earlier y'all start organizing, the better; and it's also better to think big than not...Rob's got the right idea and I think we should support it, not criticize it.
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I'm not criticizing. I like the idea. I am just trying to imagine most of the folks I work with (the ones that fill several acres of parking lots that surround me) seeing a flyer and then saying to themselves "I can do that - I'll just leave the car in the garage next week". I am having a hard time forming the picture in my mind.

The easier you make it for average folk to participate -- the more participation you will get.

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Originally Posted by DanFromDetroit
I'm not criticizing. I like the idea. I am just trying to imagine most of the folks I work with (the ones that fill several acres of parking lots that surround me) seeing a flyer and then saying to themselves "I can do that - I'll just leave the car in the garage next week". I am having a hard time forming the picture in my mind.

The easier you make it for average folk to participate -- the more participation you will get.

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Dan's got a point here maybe it should include all alternative sources of transportation make it a national leave your car at home week or day
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Not just "against" foreign oil; but as support for our soldiers.
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Originally Posted by erraticrider
Not just "against" foreign oil; but as support for our soldiers.
Another good point
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Posted by erraticrider - 12-03-03 at 07:52 AM
What a cool idea -- except I already commute by bike, how can I change anything to register my protest? Sigh.

Before the war, the U.S. had 22.4 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, according to Oil and Gas Journal. Iraq has 112 billion barrels of proven oil reserves. Does that mean that the U.S. now has 124 billion barrels of proven oil reserves under its control? Of course, the war may have had much more to do with creating the opportunity for no competition bid contracts to Cheney's friends at Haliburton to reconstruct Iraq than it had in capturing oil for the benefit of the U.S. public.


What, bringing 24 million people out from under the iron handed rule of Saddam & his charming boys doesn't count for anything?
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What, bringing 24 million people out from under the iron handed rule of Saddam & his charming boys doesn't count for anything?
By the looks of this this is not a protest of the war in Iraq but one about our dependence of foreign oil. For someone that remember the oil embargo of the early 70's I find it hard to believe that we as nation have not done ANYTHING to change our dependence on foreign oil.
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Sounds like a good idea. I think everyone is against using foreign oil and thus aid in funding terrorism, but if we only used domestic reserves the "evil" oil companies of the US will get more profits, and ANWR would likely be drilled. If only more people ride bikes.... At least by taking the Iraqi fields from Saddam he is no longer giving $25k to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. I digress.
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I think the war was a good thing for the iraqi people and helps discourage further attacks like sept 11 2001.More people riding bikes is of course a good thing. But I am sick of all the Bush bashing that goes on .I think we are in Iraq for the right reasons and even though the establishment of Democracy in that country will be difficult ,in the end it will be worth it. Reconstruction is not quick it took 6 years with japan. James
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Originally Posted by james Haury
I think the war was a good thing for the iraqi people and helps discourage further attacks like sept 11 2001.More people riding bikes is of course a good thing. But I am sick of all the Bush bashing that goes on .I think we are in Iraq for the right reasons and even though the establishment of Democracy in that country will be difficult ,in the end it will be worth it. Reconstruction is not quick it took 6 years with japan. James
Bush bashinbg haven't seen any in this thread why his name hasn't even been mentioned why must everything you all disagree with become Bush bashing?
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Now doing something about dependence on foreign oil, that I can get behind. I, too, lived through the '70s energy crisis and still cannot fathom the short-sightedness of America at large and our leaders.
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My first inclination is that people will be turned off by the "foreign oil" part of the campaign. Most will immediately dismiss it out of hand as another crackpot political push. Dependence on all oil would be better, but still not received well. We are talking about people's perceived comfort and security. We need another session of shutting the output valve off a bit to wake people up.
I believe the time frame you are looking at is around National Bike to Work Day, in National Bike to Work Month.
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Originally Posted by ngateguy
Dan's got a point here maybe it should include all alternative sources of transportation make it a national leave your car at home week or day
For this there is Car Free Day, September 22 each year. It's not too early to start organizing in you home town...
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Ngateguy. Ok not Bush bashing but definitely Cheney Bashing. And Dick Cheney is part of the Bush administration , at least the last time I checked.We had september 11 at least in part due to Bill Clintons passing up the chance to take Osama Bin Laden.When he was offered to him by Pakistan? Oh by the way you are not the center of the Universe and neither am I that honor belongs to God. James
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Wake up, James...

The Bush Administration's policies favoring Big Oil and Gas over renewable resources are going to ruin our enviroment. His failure to sign the Kyoto protocol (which IS flawed, but not fatally like he says, but we HAVE to start somewhere) just shows his lack of leadership in protecting the enviroment. Bush doesn't care about the American people, just his rich corporate contributers who pollute for profit!

We were much better off with George Bush Sr. in office, although he screwed up the Rio summit in '92. He was the President of the Sierra Club compared to his son!
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Better move this to the political forum?

James, you are awake! Smurfy must have his head in the sand?

Give up your car for a week to protest foriegn oil? People make this choice everyday and I don't foresee much more support for your idea than I do now.
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Originally Posted by james Haury
Ngateguy. Ok not Bush bashing but definitely Cheney Bashing. And Dick Cheney is part of the Bush administration , at least the last time I checked.We had september 11 at least in part due to Bill Clintons passing up the chance to take Osama Bin Laden.When he was offered to him by Pakistan? Oh by the way you are not the center of the Universe and neither am I that honor belongs to God. James
Well after checking all the threads I don't see mention of any of the administration in here so you are presuming that since we are discussing our dependence on foreign oil (which is not good from an economic or military aspect) that we are bashing the administration James it is you that is making this political
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Originally Posted by james Haury
We had september 11 at least in part due to Bill Clintons passing up the chance to take Osama Bin Laden.When he was offered to him by Pakistan? Oh by the way you are not the center of the Universe and neither am I that honor belongs to God. James
Firt off James get a sense of humor my Center of the Universe is what they call a JOKE do you know what that is?

And since BC passed on not only information but a plan and the tools to GWB on Bin Ladden just what did GWB do until 9/11, I think he ignored the terrorist because he and his buds never took them seriously.
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Originally Posted by james Haury
We had september 11 at least in part due to Bill Clintons passing up the chance to take Osama Bin Laden.When he was offered to him by Pakistan? Oh by the way you are not the center of the Universe and neither am I that honor belongs to God. James
First off James get a sense of humor my Center of the Universe is what they call a JOKE do you know what that is?

And since BC passed on not only information but a plan and the tools to GWB on Bin Ladden just what did GWB do until 9/11, I think he ignored the terrorist because he and his buds never took them seriously.

I think there is enough blame to go all around and is time to stop the finger pointing don't you? Or should we rehash all the old world history on just how Saddam and Afghanistan happened?
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