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Old 06-18-08, 05:23 PM
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Coexist: Motorist and Cyclist education?

I'm moving to this town. I'm fully aware of the need to educate cyclists on the laws, but I'm not really sure where the motorist education comes into this program. How does this look to the rest of you?

https://fcgov.com/bicycling/coexist.php

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Old 06-18-08, 05:34 PM
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Gotta ask yourself... what does "Right Hook" mean to a motorist. I doubt that expression means anything outside of our community of cyclists.

If motorists are not even aware of the problem... well then that is a problem.
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sorry, but I don't see a whole lot of motorist ed going on in those posters
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I don't think posters do it. I'd like to see 15 second spots on TV.
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Accident??!! Hardly.

I do like the posters, but I'm wondering where the ones for motorists are.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Gotta ask yourself... what does "Right Hook" mean to a motorist.
Before or after they meet me?
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"Preaching to the choir."
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My big problem is ignorant, but well-intentioned, right-turning motorists who pull up to my left and stop, waiting for me to cross their intended rightward path through the danger zone. Whenever possible, I slow and drop behind them, to their left side, to convey the strong message that I am not going to set myself up for a right hook. My bigger problem is motorists who turn right from through-only lanes or even the opposing lane of a two-lane road when I position myself leftward to try to preclude a right hook.

The message about the danger of right-hooks is good, but cyclists and motorists both bear a responsibility to try to avoid this scenario.
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This is another one that sort of bothers me. I think they have a really cool look to them, but I'd certainly like to see something more motorist oriented.

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Originally Posted by John E View Post
My big problem is ignorant, but well-intentioned, right-turning motorists who pull up to my left and stop, waiting for me to cross their intended rightward path through the danger zone. Whenever possible, I slow and drop behind them, to their left side, to convey the strong message that I am not going to set myself up for a right hook. My bigger problem is motorists who turn right from through-only lanes or even the opposing lane of a two-lane road when I position myself leftward to try to preclude a right hook.

The message about the danger of right-hooks is good, but cyclists and motorists both bear a responsibility to try to avoid this scenario.
Portland's DOT is actively encouraging this sort of interaction with their bike lane and bike box program.

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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
This is another one that sort of bothers me. I think they have a really cool look to them, but I'd certainly like to see something more motorist oriented.

the problem here is that the caption should read: "hey you damn fixie hipster, where the hell is your front brake? if you'd had one, you could have hit this car intentionally -- say with your mini u-lock -- instead of unintentionally with hand-built deep-v"
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Anyone else notice the cell phone in the drivers hand? And the message is to look twice?
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They really need to show the motorist "suffering" as a result of an accident with a bike. A police writing a ticket, hauling the motorists away in hand cuffs, maybe something about points and increased drivers insurance. As is they seem to reinforce the notion that bicycling is and should be dangerous.

NYC Look posters are pretty good IMHO.
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/poster1.pdf
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/poster2.pdf
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...those are bicycling education awareness posters, little to no motorist education there.
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Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
They really need to show the motorist "suffering" as a result of an accident with a bike. A police writing a ticket, hauling the motorists away in hand cuffs, maybe something about points and increased drivers insurance. As is they seem to reinforce the notion that bicycling is and should be dangerous.

NYC Look posters are pretty good IMHO.
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/poster1.pdf
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/poster2.pdf
Those are pretty good. I'll talk to someone in the Coexist program about the concerns. Thanks all.
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Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
They really need to show the motorist "suffering" as a result of an accident with a bike. A police writing a ticket, hauling the motorists away in hand cuffs, maybe something about points and increased drivers insurance. As is they seem to reinforce the notion that bicycling is and should be dangerous.

NYC Look posters are pretty good IMHO.
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/poster1.pdf
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/poster2.pdf


Yeah, but that is the basis for the whole problem... the motorist usually doesn't suffer, which is why it is so difficult to "train" them.
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Yeah, but that is the basis for the whole problem... the motorist usually doesn't suffer, which is why it is so difficult to "train" them.
i concur.

however, if we look at the campaigns against dui and smoking, two education efforts that have had some of the most dramatic consequence-driven messages ever, we find that that stuff didn't have the predicted effect. in fact, decreases in smoking and dui were mostly the result of peer-pressure
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Originally Posted by frymaster View Post
i concur.

however, if we look at the campaigns against dui and smoking, two education efforts that have had some of the most dramatic consequence-driven messages ever, we find that that stuff didn't have the predicted effect. in fact, decreases in smoking and dui were mostly the result of peer-pressure
What's the solution, then? It seems to me like the message still needs to get out, but but then what can we do? Is it more a case of I should tell my friends who then tell their friends, etc?
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Yeah, but that is the basis for the whole problem... the motorist usually doesn't suffer, which is why it is so difficult to "train" them.
Isn't that what a frame pump is for?
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Yeah, but that is the basis for the whole problem... the motorist usually doesn't suffer, which is why it is so difficult to "train" them.
The goal of safety education is to change the current reality. DUI in Maryland is minor compared to bike/ped issues but it gets stronger enforcement because of the safety campaigns. I will assert that we can get stronger enforcement with the right safety campaign. (Note: that roads in the 60's were designed for drunks and trucks and that ideal is changing because of safety issues.)

I like the NYC poster with the smashed car window as it shows a "penalty" to the motorists.
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Originally Posted by harleyfrog View Post
Isn't that what a frame pump is for?
Hard to use a frame pump when you are passed out on a hood from hit by a stoplight running driver.
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