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Old 07-29-08, 04:39 PM
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House Congressional Resolution 305

House Congressional Resolution 305

House Congressional Resolution 305 (H.CON.RES. 305), dubbed the National Bike Bill sponsored by Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-OR), which passed the House of Representatives on May 21, 2008, is scheduled to be considered by the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, this Thursday, July 31, 2008, at 10am. Please take a moment to contact your Senator on the Committee to thank them in advance for their support of this resolution which recognizes the importance of bicycling in transportation and recreation.
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I know this may sound rather dumb, but what is it exactly that this legislation does... or is it a "feel good" bill that the Reps are going to sign off on and say..."hey, we did our bit for cyclists." Sort like a photo op at the local bike path to nowhere... there the politician stands all proud and smiling... for a "road" to nowhere... SIGH.

So what does the bill do? I followed the links and found nothing of substance.
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Originally Posted by genec
I know this may sound rather dumb, but what is it exactly that this legislation does... or is it a "feel good" bill that the Reps are going to sign off on and say..."hey, we did our bit for cyclists." Sort like a photo op at the local bike path to nowhere... there the politician stands all proud and smiling... for a "road" to nowhere... SIGH.

So what does the bill do? I followed the links and found nothing of substance.
Hit the nail on the head. From reading the text of this bill it literally does nothing except give a nod to cyclists.
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Hit the nail on the head. From reading the text of this bill it literally does nothing except give a nod to cyclists.
I, too, would like to see more but what's wrong with simply giving a nod to cyclists? It can have a surprising effect on people's thinking. Look how many threads are devoted to the poor attitude of most American drivers to cyclists. IMO anything is better than nothing.

The wheels of government often move slowly. One step at a time is the most we can often hope to accomplish

I, for one, am not of the all or nothing at all mindset. I'll take anything positive they are able to throw our way.
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here's a link to the bill

it looks like it 1) recognizes, 2) supports, and 3) encourages.

that is, it's just a nod, not an appropriation of funds or any tangible benefit to cyclists. a nod is better than ignorance or hostility, but i'm not exactly wetting my pants over this. the annoying thing about "feel-good" legislation is that it's generally the government acting like they really care, trying to look busy for their constituants.

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The first part of the bill (that's all I've read so far) is great. It lists out lots of great evidence for why people should try cycle commuting!

Whereas we now live in a Nation with 300 million people, and that number is expected to grow to 365 million by 2030 and to 420 million by 2050 with the vast majority of that growth occurring in urban areas with limited ability to accommodate increased motor vehicle travel;

Whereas since 1980, the number of miles Americans drive has grown 3 times faster than the United States population, and almost twice as fast as vehicle registrations;

Whereas one-third of the current population does not drive due to age, disability, ineligibility, economic circumstances, or personal choice;

Whereas the United States is challenged by an obesity epidemic, 65 percent of United States adults are either overweight or obese, and 13 percent of children and adolescents are overweight, due in large part to a lack of regular activity;

Whereas the Center for Disease Control estimates that if all physically inactive Americans became active, we would save $77 billion in annual medical costs;

Whereas over 753 of our Nation's Mayors have signed onto the climate protection agreement of the United States Conference of Mayors urging the Federal Government to enact policies and programs to meet or exceed a greenhouse gas emission reduction target of a 7 percent reduction from 1990 levels by 2012;

Whereas the transportation sector contributes one-third of the greenhouse gas emissions in the United States and passenger automobiles and light trucks alone contribute 21 percent;

Whereas bicycle commuters annually save on average $1,825 in auto-related costs, reduce their carbon emissions by 128 pounds, conserve 145 gallons of gasoline, and avoid 50 hours of gridlock traffic;

Whereas the greatest potential for increased bicycle usage is in our major urban areas where 40 percent of trips are 2 miles or less and 28 percent are less than one mile;

Whereas in 1969 approximately 50 percent of children in the United States got to school by walking or bicycling, but in 2001 only 15 percent of students were walking or bicycling to school;

Whereas as much as 20 to 30 percent of morning traffic is often generated by parents driving their children to schools, and in the United States, motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for children ages 3 to 14;

Whereas many public agencies in cities are using bicycles to deliver critical municipal services, for example, more than 80 percent of police departments serving populations of 50,000 to 249,999 and 96 percent of those serving more than 250,000 residents now have routine patrols by bicycle;
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Originally Posted by Sammiches
here's a link to the bill

it looks like it 1) recognizes, 2) supports, and 3) encourages.

that is, it's just a nod, not an appropriation of funds or any tangible benefit to cyclists. a nod is better than ignorance or hostility, but i'm not exactly wetting my pants over this. the annoying thing about "feel-good" legislation is that it's generally the government acting like they really care, trying to look busy for their constituants.
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Originally Posted by Sammiches
here's a link to the bill

it looks like it 1) recognizes, 2) supports, and 3) encourages.

that is, it's just a nod, not an appropriation of funds or any tangible benefit to cyclists. a nod is better than ignorance or hostility, but i'm not exactly wetting my pants over this. the annoying thing about "feel-good" legislation is that it's generally the government acting like they really care, trying to look busy for their constituants.
just a slight pet peeve of mine. Unless I lived in a totalitarian state, which, hopefully, we do still have some remnants of democracy left in this country, the government is made up of people just like us who chose to run for office. People who we elected. You make this statement like your government is some other entity completely out of your control. I think that's the kind of thinking that allows a government to run amok.

I personally don't think cynicism about "the government" does anything to further an agenda. It just makes me want to give up. Just my 2 cents...
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Originally Posted by buzzman
just a slight pet peeve of mine. Unless I lived in a totalitarian state, which, hopefully, we do still have some remnants of democracy left in this country, the government is made up of people just like us who chose to run for office. People who we elected. You make this statement like your government is some other entity completely out of your control. I think that's the kind of thinking that allows a government to run amok.

I personally don't think cynicism about "the government" does anything to further an agenda. It just makes me want to give up. Just my 2 cents...
In general, you are correct. That is, with people who sit back and watch, content to complain without trying to research and understand.

Also, I am pretty cynical.

But I've voted opposite my district and statewide results for awhile - my representatives aren't "just like me"

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Originally Posted by buzzman
just a slight pet peeve of mine. Unless I lived in a totalitarian state, which, hopefully, we do still have some remnants of democracy left in this country, the government is made up of people just like us who chose to run for office. People who we elected. You make this statement like your government is some other entity completely out of your control. I think that's the kind of thinking that allows a government to run amok.

I personally don't think cynicism about "the government" does anything to further an agenda. It just makes me want to give up. Just my 2 cents...
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It's any and all of my government, your government, our government and, as long as you're in a democracy, should never become The Government.
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Unless it does something of substance, it's just wasting time that could be better spent. Maybe a quick resolution saying the same thing.
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Originally Posted by markhr
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It's any and all of my government, your government, our government and, as long as you're in a democracy, should never become The Government.
Speaking of pet peeves... we are not in a democracy. The United States practices limited democracy, and we are a constitutional republic.

What our elected representatives legislate is their governance of our country. Passage of this bill, for example, could only be construed as my governance at the farthest reaches of reason. It has my ongoing implicit support only because I refrain from civil disobedience and continue to pay taxes. Fact is, when they are up on that hill, they are The Government.
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Originally Posted by Sammiches
Speaking of pet peeves... we are not in a democracy. The United States practices limited democracy, and we are a constitutional republic.

What our elected representatives legislate is their governance of our country. Passage of this bill, for example, could only be construed as my governance at the farthest reaches of reason. It has my ongoing implicit support only because I refrain from civil disobedience and continue to pay taxes. Fact is, when they are up on that hill, they are The Government.
Yes, they're elected by the public for their ideas, leadership, to do what they feel is correct and what may benefit the voters. It's not an exact science and will never please everyone all of the time.

However, because it's a democracy, if you don't like something you have the right to complain about it and attemt to have it changed. Unlike such friendly countries as Burma, Zimbabwe and China.

That is, you may not get the result you want but you can still add your 5c. If there are enough 5c in the pile then weight of opinion should cause change, e.g., Gordon Brown currently in the UK.
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Actually, they're not elected for their ideas or leadership, they're elected for their electability and for their connections (i.e. how many arses they kiss - and we let them kiss babies???). We have very few true leaders left that are electable and those tend to go places where they can actually lead - which means not in government, where leading is actually political maneuvering, not really leading.

You are right, however, in that it is a better system than in most other places (dare I say all? Maybe NZ or Aussy-land? haven't been there, couldn't say. )
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Originally Posted by AsanaCycles
House Congressional Resolution 305

House Congressional Resolution 305 (H.CON.RES. 305), dubbed the National Bike Bill sponsored by Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-OR), which passed the House of Representatives on May 21, 2008, is scheduled to be considered by the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, this Thursday, July 31, 2008, at 10am. Please take a moment to contact your Senator on the Committee to thank them in advance for their support of this resolution which recognizes the importance of bicycling in transportation and recreation.
A nice wink and nod and gesture, with (yes) all its nominal effects. A far more important thing would be a major commitment at the federal, state and local level to use our highway funds to improve, and broaden shoulders on roadways. Dollar for dollar, nothing would improve cyclist safety more.

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Originally Posted by Roughstuff
A nice wink and nod and gesture, with (yes) all its nominal effects. A far more important thing would be a major commitment at the federal, state and local level to use our highway funds to improve, and broaden shoulders on roadways. Dollar for dollar, nothing would improve cyclist safety more.

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Agreed... an act equivalent to the National Hiway Act of 1956 is what is needed to set cycling straight in this country.
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I'll make sure that I keep copies of this groundbreaking legislation with me to pass out to any driver who tells me to get off the road.

I gave up on our government a long time ago...but it is cute to see so many remain optimistic that we're still not totally f_'d.
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Agreed... an act equivalent to the National Hiway Act of 1956 is what is needed to set cycling straight in this country.
National TRANSPORTATION act would be better. Highways, local roads, restoration and improvement of local railway lines and intercity rail, , small airports for commuter flights.

Now here is a tough question others have brought up, though. What about cities (where obviously many cyclist/commuters live). There is no room for roadway expansion/shoulders in many of these areas. Bike lanes? Bike paths? Full integration into the roadway? To me the latter is the most durable solution.

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Originally Posted by Roughstuff
National TRANSPORTATION act would be better. Highways, local roads, restoration and improvement of local railway lines and intercity rail, , small airports for commuter flights.

Now here is a tough question others have brought up, though. What about cities (where obviously many cyclist/commuters live). There is no room for roadway expansion/shoulders in many of these areas. Bike lanes? Bike paths? Full integration into the roadway? To me the latter is the most durable solution.

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Full integration on the roadway is the easiest, but it requires some sensible planning... road speeds of arterial roads at 50MPH make that road a bit unpleasant for cyclists... sweeping wide angle turns designed like freeway offramps don't help cyclists either.

As far as room in cities... well there is surprisingly a lot of room near freeways... Rather than adding two lanes in any future expansion, a single somewhat narrow lane can easily serve cyclists, and cyclists are going to want to get to the same places that any motorist would like to get to also.

But on a purely practical front, the use of such concepts as bike boulevards is quite suitable to many cities... bike boulevards are simply traffic calmed well connected streets that are ideal for cycling. Maybe replacing a few 4 way stops with traffic circles can help improve the flow for all users.

The bottom line is that consideration has to be made for all road users, not just automobile drivers... that change alone will help. Sure, a well funded (put folks to work, help the economy) National Transportation Act similar to the Hiway act of 1956 could be used to get a lot of "wheels" moving. I can't help but wonder what our infrastructure would look like today if the funds for the war in Iraq had been spent here, vice abroad.

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I'll make sure that I keep copies of this groundbreaking legislation with me to pass out to any driver who tells me to get off the road.

I gave up on our government a long time ago...but it is cute to see so many remain optimistic that we're still not totally f_'d.
I've still got a round or two left in me before I totally throw in the towel. I'm the Rocky Balboa of optimists.
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I can't help but wonder what our infrastructure would look like today if the funds for the war in Iraq had been spent here, vice abroad.
Around $560 billion dollars better. Put into perspective, that is a maximum of:
-1 million miles of bike/multi-use path
-39.8 million miles of paint-line bike lanes
-3.2 million miles of bike lanes with roadway widening
And a whole lotta auto lanes I don't feel like calculating.
There are around 4 million miles of paved roads in the USA.

Bike path numbers

Seems like a war on bad infrastructure would have been more reasonable, but those terrorists would have just hated our freedom and our fancy new roads.
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Around $560 billion dollars better. Put into perspective, that is a maximum of:
-1 million miles of bike/multi-use path
-39.8 million miles of paint-line bike lanes
-3.2 million miles of bike lanes with roadway widening
And a whole lotta auto lanes I don't feel like calculating.
There are around 4 million miles of paved roads in the USA.

Bike path numbers

Seems like a war on bad infrastructure would have been more reasonable, but those terrorists would have just hated our freedom and our fancy new roads.
So a year after the Minnesota bridge collapse, with tons of money pouring into a questionable war effort... we still have this infrastructure problem in America...

https://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/200...5-disaster/?hp

One out of every four bridges now in use in the United States is classified as “structurally deficient,” as the I-35W bridge was before it failed. That’s about 152,000 bridges, a number that will only rise, according to the report:

Within the next 15 years almost half of the nation’s bridges will exceed 50 years of age, exceeding the life span for which they were designed. Even now, one in five are over 50.

Fixing every bridge flagged with structural issues would cost about $140 billion, the report said — or nearly double the $80 billion that Governor Rendell said is spent annually on all kinds of transportation infrastructure around the country.
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So a year after the Minnesota bridge collapse, with tons of money pouring into a questionable war effort... we still have this infrastructure problem in America...

https://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/200...5-disaster/?hp
As a Minneapolis native, it's very offensive that we can't have structurally-sound bridges but we can police a land on the other side of the world.
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Originally Posted by mondaycurse
As a Minneapolis native, it's very offensive that we can't have structurally-sound bridges but we can fleece a land on the other side of the world.
Corrected.
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