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Old 07-24-08, 07:50 PM
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haven't logged in for over a year. This is why

I stopped commuting to work over a year ago. In fact I haven't rode a bike at all in the last year. Those of you that have been around for a while might remember me. Used to post multiple times daily. commuted for 3 years. It was my livelyhood.

Well, I stopped because Jacksonville Florida is the worst place in the country to ride a bike. The reason is the drivers. Jacksonville has developed such a hate for cyclists, that it just isn't safe to ride. I miss it so much.

Please have a seat, get your favorite alcoholic beverage, and relax. Once your head is clear and you are calm, check out the link I am about to give you. It talks about a 52 year old cyclist that was killed here in Jacksonville. It is a forum of sorts.... Be prepared. The comments these people have about it will make you sick to your stomach. This isn't some freak bike hater forum. This is our local news papers web site that allows comments about news stories.

If you ever do a tour thru florida, Avoid Jacksonville.

https://news.jacksonville.com/justin/...on-with-truck/
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Just some of the comments....wow....lets be careful out there!



"bicycles do not have tags on them. they do not have insurance on them. they do not have lights or turn signals on them.If you take a car onto the hiway without these items,you will get a ticket or even arrested. So don’t tell me that bicycles have as much right on the road as a car does."

"Anyone who rides in today’s traffic has apple sauce for brains. Plus what do these cyclists think they are doing, riding for a yellow jersey or something. Get a better hobbie. The cyclist uniform looks fruity especially in Mandarin on San Jose Blvd and Northern St Johns county along Julington creek plantation area(Fruit Cove?).. They don’t understand the risk vs. 5000 lb vehicles. Lots of better ways to stay in shape safely. Your life is irreplaceable, and do you really want your wife spending your hard earned dough on some wimpy con artist second husband. You know he’s marrying her for the cash dude. Not her looks or lovely disposition. Heck you know she is’nt what she was when you first marrried and before the kids."

"Yes we have lots of rights in this country. Most good but some can get you killed if you don’t use your brain and consider the risks. I suggest you ride on quiet roads and sidewalks. Stay off the main roads or risk the right to die at yours or other choosing."

"I’m glad that the biker involved was well-to-do; his estate will be able to pay for the damages to the truck resulting from his violating the right of way (ignoring the red light). I was almost hit yesterday by a cyclist speeding on a sidewalk. I agree that they should be on the sidewalk rather than in traffic; but they need to remember that we are looking for pedestrians moving at walking speed.
Bicycles need to be outlawed, along with cars that can exceed the speed limit. Put everyone into golf carts.
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"Bike lanes take up very valuable driving lanes. We used to have two lanes each way through San Marco. Now we have one lane each way and an absolutely empty bike lane. The highest and best use of the roads is for vehicles. If the bikes stay out of my way then I’ll stay out of theirs.
The problem is they ride on San Jose, Beauclerc, Scott Mill and Mandarin Road in packs and actually out into the road by many feet. These pack bicyclists are complete jerks.
We don’t need more bike lanes, this is not a third world country or socialist Europe. This is the largest area wise city in the continental US. Cars are king in Jacksonville and always will be. Ride your bike on major roads at your own risk and don’t look for me to give you your three feet. Maybe I’ll give you 6 inches."
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It never ceases to amaze me how car drivers don't get the irony of telling cyclists to get off the road because car drivers are dangerous.
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Old 07-24-08, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Allister View Post
It never ceases to amaze me how car drivers don't get the irony of telling cyclists to get off the road because car drivers are dangerous.
It saddens me to see people like the OP quit riding because they perceive it to be so dangerous.
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God god. A woman was just killed on Tuesday morning around here. The comments are nothing but pro-bike. Sad...
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Old 07-24-08, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
It saddens me to see people like the OP quit riding because they perceive it to be so dangerous.
That is because around here it is. See the giant cut on my eye in my avitar? That was from someone throwing a bottle at my face on the way to work one morning. I am sure there are some bad places to ride in the US.... Jacksonville has got to be in the top 2 or 3. The average driver here HATES cyclists... and they aren't shy about it.


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Originally Posted by mcavana View Post
That is because around here it is. See the giant cut on my eye in my avitar? That was from someone throwing a bottle at my face on the way to work one morning. I am sure there are some bad places to ride in the US.... Jacksonville has got to be in the top 2 or 3. The average driver here HATES cyclists... and they aren't shy about it.


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You do realize that you are not the only person who has ever lived in Jacksonville, right? It ain't great, but it ain't hell either.
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You do realize that you are not the only person who has ever lived in Jacksonville, right? It ain't great, but it ain't hell either.
Yes, I do realize that smartass. Tell, me. When did you live in Jax? When and where did you normally ride?
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Old 07-24-08, 09:49 PM
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Wow. Jacksonville must really suck. What a bunch of A-holes.
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Old 07-24-08, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mcavana View Post
Once your head is clear and you are calm, check out the link I am about to give you. It talks about a 52 year old cyclist that was killed here in Jacksonville. It is a forum of sorts.... Be prepared. The comments these people have about it will make you sick to your stomach. This isn't some freak bike hater forum. This is our local news papers web site that allows comments about news stories.
actually, the comments found on most newspaper websites are much more hateful and ignorant than what one would find on a message board. that's because the comments are often anonymous and the commenters do not belong to a particular community. the result is that people feel comfortable being as nasty as possible.

i'm sorry your local community is so anti-bike, but you should do yourself a favor and ignore the hatespeech you find online.
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Really those comments were'nt really as bad as I was expecting. Apparently I've spent too much time on Fark.com bicycle threads. There are some very angry/bored trolls there. Every day people ask me how I can ride my bike everywhere. I live on Long Island which is not known for it's wonderfully patient and skilled driver (where is, right?) "Oh, it's so dangerous! Drivers here are insane!" In 3 years I've had very few real problems with drivers. Little slights here and there, but nothing life-threatening. I'm sorry you feel you can't ride around you're city anymore. That really sucks.
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Old 07-25-08, 09:42 AM
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Wow, I thought my town hated cyclists. Reading those comments made me feel like I was at some sort of protest rally calling for a transportation cleansing.
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Old 07-25-08, 09:54 AM
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Hey,

I was stationed in Jacksonville Fla while I was in The Navy. I rode my bike whenever I could, usually 60 miles every third day.
Yes, Jacksonville has it's share of rednecks. Jax is right on the border of Georgia, at the Northern end of Florida.
I had lots of lights on my bike, and I stuck to the side roads.

What I don't get is why more people in Jacksonville don't ride bikes. It must be the horrible drivers that got them scared off the road. I say that because Jacksonville is very flat, with the biggest hills being the approaches to the bridges over the Ortega River. Bicycling is easy in Jacksonville because there are no big hills.

I was in Jax from 1991 to 1993, and I was like the only bicyclist on the road.
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i think most of us have gone through a phase when we question if riding a bike is really worth it or just too much trouble (or dangerous).

i think you owe yourself some time on the bike again, to rediscover all the things you love about it. maybe drive to a better area and do a nice long ride from there. can't let these idiots dictate your course in life.
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Originally Posted by Allister View Post
It never ceases to amaze me how car drivers don't get the irony of telling cyclists to get off the road because car drivers are dangerous.
exactly. it's such an obvious irony that i just want to grab these people and shake them until some semblance of reasoning appears. but, i don't have time to be shaking people all day long.
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Originally Posted by RhythmRider;7128927
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"bicycles do not have tags on them. they do not have insurance on them. they do not have lights or turn signals on them.If you take a car onto the hiway without these items,you will get a ticket or even arrested. So donít tell me that bicycles have as much right on the road as a car does."


" #2 Now we have one lane each way and an absolutely empty bike lane. The highest and best use of the roads is for vehicles. .

#3 The problem is they ride on San Jose, Beauclerc, Scott Mill and Mandarin Road in packs and actually out into the road by many feet. These pack bicyclists are complete jerks.
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Well, i haven't perfectly cut and paste, but I agree with some of the sentiments these people are expressing. As a cyclist, I see myself as a secondary user of the roadways, specifically for reasons #1. It helps that I am treated courteously by the vast majority of drivers....so that when a situation arises where my bike makes it difficult for traffic to pass without substantial hassle, I am very willing to wait a few moments on the far right shoulder to let them pass by, in my turn.

#2 is just a reasonable complaint about lack of use. I am not a fan of bike lanes anyway (i think, dollar for dollar, the best investment is broadening shoulders for cyclists), but i can see why siezing roadway space for an 'absolutely empty bike lane' is ridiculous. I say the same thing about the 'carpool' lanes and 'bus lanes' they have installed on some interstates. Empty 99% of the time...

#3 Don't get me started about cyclists in packs, or racing in packs or kids darting in and out of traffic in packs. They are responsible for 99% of the hostility to bikes, much as loud-pipe dudes are responsible for 99% of the hostility to motorcycles.

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Lots of jag-offs in this world ...... certainly not limited to J-ville.

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Lots of jag-offs in this world ...... certainly not limited to J-ville.
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Cut it out guys, this is the OP's "Pity me because I live in Jacksonville and the drivers are mean to me" thread. Maybe we can all chip in and get him some ruby clipless shoes so he can click in three times and end up in Kansas.
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#1: I have sympathy for the OP; J-ville, a COLLEGE TOWN for pete's sake, is obviously a black hole where not even the light of knowledge escapes.
#2: The rest of Florida isn't much better -- I will NEVER set foot in that hemorrhoid of a state again!
#3: I don't have a problem with 'commando-style' riding to get around this kind of hate; I'll ride however I have to in order to get from A to B.
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Cut it out guys, this is the OP's "Pity me because I live in Jacksonville and the drivers are mean to me" thread. Maybe we can all chip in and get him some ruby clipless shoes so he can click in three times and end up in Kansas.
Ehh, I dunno Chip.
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Originally Posted by timmhaan View Post
i think most of us have gone through a phase when we question if riding a bike is really worth it or just too much trouble (or dangerous).

i think you owe yourself some time on the bike again, to rediscover all the things you love about it. maybe drive to a better area and do a nice long ride from there. can't let these idiots dictate your course in life.
Timmhann... I believe we spoke before... years ago. Your words are an inspiration. No those idiots can not dictate my course in life... In fact, just 2 weeks ago, for no particular reason I dusted off my favorite brooks saddle, and polished it. This weekend, I think I will take a ride over to my local bike shop.... see what has to be done to my ride....

Chipper, or whatever your silly name is...

I remember one time when I was touring across the SE and I had a horrible sore just under my nuts... Yes, that is exactly what you are made of....


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If I lived in a place where I felt so uncomfortable cycling I had to give it up .... I'd move.

But it's your choice, and obviously cycling isn't that important to you.
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If I lived in a place where I felt so uncomfortable cycling I had to give it up .... I'd move.

But it's your choice, and obviously cycling isn't that important to you.
Or load up and go peddle somewhere its safer on days off and other times when I could if moving isn't a option. These guys seem to get it done in Jacksonville:

https://www.nfbc.us/
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