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Old 07-28-08, 10:04 AM
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Cop assaults NYC critical mass cyclist

https://gothamist.com/2008/07/28/cop_...lting_cycl.php

can't see if anything happened out of the frame beforehand to make the cop act like this, but from here it looks so ridiculous, it's hard to believe that actually happened....wonder if it will get more publicized? if it's just what it looks like, outrageous.
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Old 07-28-08, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by kswissreject View Post
https://gothamist.com/2008/07/28/cop_...lting_cycl.php

can't see if anything happened out of the frame beforehand to make the cop act like this, but from here it looks so ridiculous, it's hard to believe that actually happened....wonder if it will get more publicized? if it's just what it looks like, outrageous.
I'm wondering if the cop was telling the cyclist to stop (perhaps because of some infraction the cop saw the cyclist commit?). If the cyclist was then trying to just get around the cop without stopping, that's the only thing I could think of that might justify that kind of take down.

Why would the cop take that one guy down, but not any of the others?

Of course I have no idea what happened. Just speculating.
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Old 07-28-08, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
I'm wondering if the cop was telling the cyclist to stop (perhaps because of some infraction the cop saw the cyclist commit?). If the cyclist was then trying to just get around the cop without stopping, that's the only thing I could think of that might justify that kind of take down.

Why would the cop take that one guy down, but not any of the others?

Of course I have no idea what happened. Just speculating.
Well, the video has audio, and you can't hear either of the officers saying anything, or opening their mouths at all. Both of their hands remain at their sides until the last second.

Even if the cyclist were hypothetically breaking some law (had a crack pipe from his lips, or had punched someone a moment before), you don't just saunter over and shove them to the ground. You direct them to stop and you keep your distance until you're in control of the situation. The only acceptable reason for their behavior would be if the cyclist were brandishing a weapon (u-lock, etc) threateningly as he rode by.
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Old 07-28-08, 10:21 AM
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unless he did something before that shot was taken cause otherwise he wouldve went after the guy that swerved in front of him at the last minute
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Old 07-28-08, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by zeytoun View Post
Well, the video has audio, and you can't hear either of the officers saying anything, or opening their mouths at all. Both of their hands remain at their sides until the last second.

Even if the cyclist were hypothetically breaking some law (had a crack pipe from his lips, or had punched someone a moment before), you don't just saunter over and shove them to the ground. You direct them to stop and you keep your distance until you're in control of the situation. The only acceptable reason for their behavior would be if the cyclist were brandishing a weapon (u-lock, etc) threateningly as he rode by.
Not trying to defend the cop... but how else would you apprehend someone on a bicycle other than knocking him down? (Again, not trying to say that this take down was justified.)
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
Not trying to defend the cop... but how else would you apprehend someone on a bicycle other than knocking him down? (Again, not trying to say that this take down was justified.)
thats how it works when someone fails to stop or is seen as a threat
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Old 07-28-08, 10:49 AM
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Even if the copper had sufficient justification to apprehend the cyclist, he's still a lousy civil servant. He actually pushed the kid on the bike towards innocent bystanders. If he had even a hint of capacity, he would have used his own body as a blockade.
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Old 07-28-08, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sledbikes View Post
thats how it works when someone fails to stop or is seen as a threat
And why wouldn't you feel threatened if you chose to walk out into the middle of oncoming traffic.
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Old 07-28-08, 10:58 AM
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Well, no defending CM, but the cop had better have a really good reason for using potentially deadly force to stop this cyclist. If you doubt the potential of this amount of force to cause grave injury, just go out on your bike, get up to 12-15 mph then jump off head first towards a curb.
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Old 07-28-08, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
Not trying to defend the cop... but how else would you apprehend someone on a bicycle other than knocking him down? (Again, not trying to say that this take down was justified.)
If the cyclist was not threatening future violence, but had commited a crime, the cop should have ordered him to stop. You can see in the video that the police decide to take down the cyclist several seconds before he does, and does so without warning. If you have to resort to violence to stop citizens by default, you're not following proper protocol.

thats how it works when someone fails to stop or is seen as a threat
1) there was no failure to stop, because the cops clearly did not order anyone to stop. Watch the video carefully, their hands remain at their sides, and their mouths are closed.

2) seen as a threat. This is valid for consideration, and 100% speculation. If the cyclist were, hypothetically, swinging a weapon around or threatening future violence, then apprehending him with force would be justified. If the cyclist had just commited a crime of some kind then they should order him to stop first, before using force.
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Old 07-28-08, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sledbikes View Post
thats how it works when someone fails to stop or is seen as a threat
did you see the pig attempting to ask the bicyclist to halt or the cyclist doing anything threatening before he was attacked by the cop? No! NYPD sucks, and there's no need for this type of police brutality at all.

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Old 07-28-08, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by randya View Post
did you see the pig attempting to ask the bicyclist to halt or the cyclist doing anything threatening before he was attacked by the cop? No! NYPD sucks, and there's no need for this type of police brutality at all.

like i said he did something to that cop cause the tall bikes got really close to the cop on the right and he did nothing to persue.

perhaps he did the handgun or birdie suggestion which is grounds for a ass beating by any police department cause the cop had the opportunity to bust 2 guys before he went after him
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Originally Posted by Sledbikes View Post
like i said he did something to that cop...
in your imagination



I've seen pigs do stuff like that with no provocation, it's par for the course on a CM ride, for three years in Portland each one was a mini police riot, and NYPD is even worse
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Old 07-28-08, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sledbikes View Post
like i said he did something to that cop cause the tall bikes got really close to the cop on the right and he did nothing to persue.

perhaps he did the handgun or birdie suggestion which is grounds for a ass beating by any police department cause the cop had the opportunity to bust 2 guys before he went after him
Flipping the bird at a cop is generally not a crime, and certainly does not justify assault.

The cop caused the close passes by moving into the paths of the other bicyclists.
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Old 07-28-08, 12:25 PM
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Continuing to play Devil's Advocate...

If a cyclists was witnessed to commit some illegal act, what are the odds that he will stop when asked by a policeman on foot, especially in a large mob of cyclists?
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
Continuing to play Devil's Advocate..
i think the devil has enough advocates already.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
Continuing to play Devil's Advocate...

If a cyclists was witnessed to commit some illegal act, what are the odds that he will stop when asked by a policeman on foot, especially in a large mob of cyclists?
If the crime were serious enough, the officer could tackle the cyclist for refusing to stop.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
Continuing to play Devil's Advocate...

If a cyclists was witnessed to commit some illegal act, what are the odds that he will stop when asked by a policeman on foot, especially in a large mob of cyclists?
Slim to none... but follow the link and you'll see that this cyclist apparently did nothing more illegal than being there.
A representative for TIMES UP! tells us that the cyclist in this video was arrested, held for 26 hours, and charged with attempted assault and resisting arrest.
If there were any other "illegal acts," one would think the police would also charge him with them, rather than something that might have resulted from the rather rude treatment by the police.
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eh, all the vids i have seen that relate to CM ... look like a bunch of people just trying to stir up trouble ... and the video is the end result of some of it...
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Cyclist should have just hit the cop, since he was jaywalking. Hard to imagine that anything the cop was doing when he hit the dude was respectable.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
I'm wondering if the cop was telling the cyclist to stop (perhaps because of some infraction the cop saw the cyclist commit?). If the cyclist was then trying to just get around the cop without stopping, that's the only thing I could think of that might justify that kind of take down.

Why would the cop take that one guy down, but not any of the others?

Of course I have no idea what happened. Just speculating.
Do the cops normally stand in the middle of the street? Nope. Both looking at oncoming cyclists. Don't see how this takes much to figure out. Someone fled a situation and this guy fits the description. Would be interesting to know if they got the right guy and also just what the situation was. Or for that matter to give the cops a chance to be lilly white clean if the guy had fled multiple demands to stop.
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Do the cops normally stand in the middle of the street? Nope. Both looking at oncoming cyclists. Don't see how this takes much to figure out. Someone fled a situation and this guy fits the description. Would be interesting to know if they got the right guy and also just what the situation was. Or for that matter to give the cops a chance to be lilly white clean if the guy had fled multiple demands to stop.
more sheer speculation, this thread is filled with it
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
Do the cops normally stand in the middle of the street? Nope. Both looking at oncoming cyclists. Don't see how this takes much to figure out. Someone fled a situation and this guy fits the description. Would be interesting to know if they got the right guy and also just what the situation was. Or for that matter to give the cops a chance to be lilly white clean if the guy had fled multiple demands to stop.
Plausible hypothesis. I hadn't thought of that.
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nice forecheck from the officer. the rangers ought to sign him.

Let's think about this. you have an officer surrounded by a few hundred witnesses. many with cameras. Do you think for a moment this cop is gonna risk his job just because he feels like teeing off on somebody? I doubt it. It's not like a case where a cop is whoopin' somebody's arse (who probably deserves it) because he thinks nobody will see it.

Notice the cop has absolutely no intention of knocking anyone else off their bikes. He is just going after 1 individual. I assume he has a good reason. And for those that say he made no attempt to tell the guy to stop, notice that this guy is already moving at a fair clip. If the cop raises a hand and says stop, the guy will just accelerate and blow past that cop, who looks like he's had his fair share of doghnuts, btw. Instead the cop uses the only thing he has, the element of surprise.
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police brutality is police brutality, that cop is a pig
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