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Old 08-24-08, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cc_rider View Post
What are they considering a "stopped" bike? Will a track stand be ok at stop signs, or will they insist on a foot down stop every time?
This is a big question of mine. What is "Stopped?"
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Old 08-24-08, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Biker43 View Post
A major reason for the recent crackdown is there have been too many cycling related deaths as of late. It may appear it's another Daley revenue producing guise, but recent statistics have shown that accidents are up along with ridership in the city.
Plus Daley's gotta get those 2016 Olympics at all costs. Got to raise quality of life in Chicago to look good to the IOC.

Stopping is a good question. As is the longevity of this enforcement. I don't doubt that there are more cyclists around this summer than last, so long as the weather's not too hot or rainy. But I bet the number of bicycles on the street in November drops to an historical average, not an outlier. Will the cops care about cyclists then?
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
May I add that lawmakers are lazy and misinformed about cyclists needs and what is really safe out there on the streets.

It is so easy to just decree: "Cyclist must obey the same rules as motor vehicles" without any clue about what cyclists need or how they think.
Enlighten me, Joey. What do I need? How do I think? Pretend for a moment, you`re in charge of making the rules.
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Old 08-24-08, 04:56 PM
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Enlighten me, Joey. What do I need? How do I think? Pretend for a moment, you`re in charge of making the rules.
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Old 08-24-08, 05:27 PM
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Old 08-24-08, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rickyaustin View Post
This is a big question of mine. What is "Stopped?"
This is potentially a big issue to me, as well. As someone else mentioned, the only time a typical motorist comes to a full legal stop at a stop sign is either when a cop is watching or when he/shoe has to wait for someone else to clear the intersection. When you drive a car, do you honestly come to a full legal stop at every stop sign? I'll be the first to admit that I often do not, and my Tiptronic tattles on me by downshifting to 2nd gear, but not to 1st.The "California stop" or slow rolling stop has become the norm, and I do not consider it a safety problem in normal practice.

Yesterday morning I saw two pairs of cyclists getting busted by the Oceanside Police on Pacific Street, probably for failure to stop at an all-way stop sign. When I am walking or jogging, I am not expected to stop for stop signs if there is no competing traffic -- is it really any different if I bike gently through a stop sign at 2mph, which is half my walking speed or a quarter of my running speed? As long as the police are enforcing the spirit of the law and going after those who blast through stop signs, I genuinely applaud their efforts, but I have a real problem with anyone who would define a legal stop on the bike as "one foot on the ground." So far, a slowly creeping trackstand has never gotten me into legal trouble, and I would argue this is as it should be.
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Originally Posted by mikesdca View Post
That`s a very cool blog. Lot of information. I don`t happen to agree with it, but that`s just how it goes with opinions. People differ. Thanks for the link. Take care.
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Originally Posted by jasonpraxis View Post
Plus Daley's gotta get those 2016 Olympics at all costs. Got to raise quality of life in Chicago to look good to the IOC.

Stopping is a good question. As is the longevity of this enforcement. I don't doubt that there are more cyclists around this summer than last, so long as the weather's not too hot or rainy. But I bet the number of bicycles on the street in November drops to an historical average, not an outlier. Will the cops care about cyclists then?
I couldn't answer that question, but I know I'll be out there riding. I would love to see Chicago continue expanding bike lanes and making it easier for cyclists to get around the city. There's more than enough road out there for us all so that means sharing it.
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Originally Posted by cc_rider View Post
What are they considering a "stopped" bike? Will a track stand be ok at stop signs, or will they insist on a foot down stop every time?
Generally the laws says stop, and nothing about `feet down'. A track stand includes a stop (or lots of them), so it should qualify. You might have to explain how you can be stopped without your feet down, however, if he's never seen it. (Of course, track stands tend to imply fixies (though they can be done on a hill, of course) -- so let's hope you've got a brake, or that your legs qualify as a brake in that state/to that cop.)

Beyond coming to a stop, you're at the cop's mercy. From what I've seen, most cops are reasonable -- if you never really stop your car, but instead slow to 1mph, you probably won't get a ticket. Same probably goes for your bike, though most can't really ride at 1 mph, but 3 mph would probably avoid a ticket too. But only probably.
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