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Old 09-01-08, 07:57 PM
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Stop using bad bike lanes as strawmen against infrastructure.

Yes, we've seen the pictures of bike lanes full of parked cars. We're all familiar with the interstate warning sign in the middle of a bike path. You can stop using those as excuses for why bike lanes are dangerous, because you know damn well people in bike-friendly countries with infrastructure aren't riding on those *****ty excuses for bike lanes.

These are bike lanes. Learn to distinguish them from the tired horror pictures you guys like to post.



Note the bright blue path (not some half-inch white line).



Note the paved surface running adjacent to the road, but distinguished from the road.



Oh look! Bicycles! On the sidewalk! Or maybe it's a bike path?



OMG BIKE LANE OF DEATH111!!!11

Oh wait. That's New York.



Wow. Yet another bit of infrastructure. Can't have that in the US!



Pic speaks for itself.



I could go on for hours, but if it isn't obvious by now, it probably won't ever be. But for the few people who aren't here to make up excuses about why the US can't ever be like those crazy bike-friendly countries that use those crazy things called bike lanes, here's a bit of proof to the contrary. All photos are from Copenhagen Girls on Bikes.

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Did they steal those extra bikes?
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Those bike lanes are flaw, because at anytime a car can come out of nowhere ant injure cyclist, or a pedestrian can carelessly walk in the bike lane and become harmed.

Sorry kid, but this is proof that bicycles have no place in transportation and should be only be use as toys.
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Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
Those bike lanes are flaw, because at anytime a car can come out of nowhere ant injure cyclist, or a pedestrian can carelessly walk in the bike lane and become harmed.
The 33% of cyclists who bike to work daily in CPH seem to do all right with those lanes. Perhaps a troll from a country where .5% of people feel safe enough to bike to work shouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on established lanes in (gasp!) bike-friendly countries.
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Sorry but in America bicycling is serious business that is better left to serious people. Average people shouldn't be on bicycles and it's best to scare them off the streets and force them into cars for their own safety. Face it, if you cant maintain a 20mph pace, then you shouldn't be using a bicycle for transportation.
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here's a bike lane on a high speed arterial where cars do 40-45mph between stopsigns easily.
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Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
Sorry but in America bicycling is serious business that is better left to serious people. Average people shouldn't be on bicycles and it's best to scare them off the streets and force them into cars for their own safety. Face it, if you cant maintain a 20mph pace, then you shouldn't be using a bicycle for transportation.
OK, I'm bored with your sarcasm; contribute or spectate, please.

Some -- hell, MOST -- of the drivers in the USA won't catch a clue without something dedicated like those. Some won't even catch it WITH those, but....
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Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
Sorry kid, but this is proof that bicycles have no place in transportation and should be only be use as toys.
I've tried that, but no matter how hard I try to use it as a toy, it still seems to transport me from one place to another. I must be doing it wrong.
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it's worked for me, just ride in a big elaborate circle. wait, damn, i still get somewhere doing that. but i think the us should take a tip from the dutch. not first hand experience, but i've heard they're really friendly to bikers
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Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
here's a bike lane on a high speed arterial where cars do 40-45mph between stopsigns easily.
Looks good to me.
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Sorry kid, but this is proof that bicycles have no place in transportation and should be only be use as toys.[/QUOTE]

If bicycles are toys? What are Horses on the road?

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Better yet, what specific complaint is the OP arguing about but his own perceived notion of how the world should work in his eyes, making little more of a point then telling us - in an elaborate presentation of photographs - to shut up?

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OMG a cyclist in the middle of a traffic lane, he is going to die.

What - motorist, cyclist and equestrians all sharing the road. That can’t be America.

Or maybe just not the America in Uke's mind.


Love your picture 10 wheels, Thanks for posting it.

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Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
here's a bike lane on a high speed arterial where cars do 40-45mph between stopsigns easily.
Bek likes being squeezed between 45 mph traffic passing on the left and right with only 3 feet of space for himself.
Me, I like having the full use of either the 12 foot right turn lane, or the 12 foot thru lane while the thru motorist use the left most lane.
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Originally Posted by uke View Post
Yes, we've seen the pictures of bike lanes full of parked cars. We're all familiar with the interstate warning sign in the middle of a bike path. You can stop using those as excuses for why bike lanes are dangerous, because you know damn well people in bike-friendly countries with infrastructure aren't riding on those *****ty excuses for bike lanes.

These are bike lanes. Learn to distinguish them from the tired horror pictures you guys like to post.

I could go on for hours, but if it isn't obvious by now, it probably won't ever be. But for the few people who aren't here to make up excuses about why the US can't ever be like those crazy bike-friendly countries that use those crazy things called bike lanes, here's a bit of proof to the contrary. All photos are from Copenhagen Girls on Bikes.
Not quite. We just ride on the ****ty ones too.
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Sensible standards, uniform, would work. Insensible standards resulting in random weirdness won't. The US has chosen, so far, to mostly embrace the latter. That and just plain stupidity in construction.
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Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
Those bike lanes are flaw, because at anytime a car can come out of nowhere ant injure cyclist, or a pedestrian can carelessly walk in the bike lane and become harmed.

Sorry kid, but this is proof that bicycles have no place in transportation and should be only be use as toys.
OK how about separated paths...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgUkNxUE0wc


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Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
Sorry but in America bicycling is serious business that is better left to serious people. Average people shouldn't be on bicycles and it's best to scare them off the streets and force them into cars for their own safety. Face it, if you cant maintain a 20mph pace, then you shouldn't be using a bicycle for transportation.
You're trolling right?
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
Bek likes being squeezed between 45 mph traffic passing on the left and right with only 3 feet of space for himself.
Me, I like having the full use of either the 12 foot right turn lane, or the 12 foot thru lane while the thru motorist use the left most lane.
That doesn't look too bad. I might be willing to trade the honks and buzzing for something more predictable like that lane.
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Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
Sorry but in America bicycling is serious business that is better left to serious people. Average people shouldn't be on bicycles and it's best to scare them off the streets and force them into cars for their own safety. Face it, if you cant maintain a 20mph pace, then you shouldn't be using a bicycle for transportation.
It's OK. someday you'll get your bike up to 20mph and feel like a manly man...don't beat yourself up over it.
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How dare you post pics of people riding bikes without helmets...and surviving!
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How dare you post pics of people riding bikes without helmets...and surviving!
You said it! And none of them are wearing "full kits"! Outrageous!

Seriously Uke, that is a good collection of pictures.
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cbhi is funny.

can't control lanes all the time, nor will the general public do so on bikes. lack of bike infrastructure on higher speed roads has helped to keep cycling participation in this country so low.

obstructionist, elitist attitudes like cbhi and his fallacious insistence mixing bikes and high speed traffic in 12 foot lanes is preferable to a 5 foot bike lane is part of the problem of what keeps cycling participation in this country so low.

(btw, cbhi, you are allowed to ride a bike anywhere on that road, rcw does not require bike lane use, rcw states 'bikes may use a bike lane if one is available....

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i don't like all that bike infrastructure in european cities. everything mixes up with pedestrian crossings, you can't get any speed, there are weird changes in pavement (one of the pics above show 3 different pavement types in a short stretch), and there are barriers all over the place that would be easy to slam into.
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Originally Posted by timmhaan View Post
i don't like all that bike infrastructure in european cities. everything mixes up with pedestrian crossings, you can't get any speed, there are weird changes in pavement (one of the pics above show 3 different pavement types in a short stretch), and there are barriers all over the place that would be easy to slam into.
So rather then mix it up with pedestrians and have to control your speed, you'd prefer to mix it up with autos and have them control their speed.

That is essentially the choice you are offering... can you see why perhaps regular folks prefer European style facilities?
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