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Old 09-28-08, 05:36 PM
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Guess the helmet really helped here

https://blog.lib.umn.edu/burk0327/3101newsfall08/

Thoughts and prayers to the family, but I wonder what those wisecracking nurses with their "they have a name for bicyclists who don't wear helmets: organ donors" would call her? A good looking corpse?
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I wonder what that woman's family would think if they knew someone on a bike forum was waving around her corpse to mock cyclists who believed in the safety value of helmets. Is this really how far the thread-making criteria has sunk here?
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No one ever said a helmet would save you if you got run over by a ton of steel because someone forgot to look in front of themself before accellerating. This is more of a lane splitting issue, ill bet she filtered forward, not that that makes any difference. His irresponsiblity caused the accident. I hope he feels horrible; he should.
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Old 09-28-08, 06:33 PM
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OP is dumb.
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Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
OP is dumb.

Quite a perceptive observation there. How long did it take you to think up that one? One, two, maybe three seconds?
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Yet another fool to add to the ignore list.
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if you're going to ignore, ignore. It's really irrelevant to me. Your ego, maybe, but not me.
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Old 09-28-08, 06:54 PM
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What brand of hoverbike was she riding?

According to the driver's statements it must have been a good one since he didn't even hear it as she dropped out of the sky right in front of him.

"I didn't see the cyclist" is a confession, not an excuse.
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Originally Posted by Marrock View Post
What brand of hoverbike was she riding?

According to the driver's statements it must have been a good one since he didn't even hear it as she dropped out of the sky right in front of him.

"I didn't see the cyclist" is a confession, not an excuse.

Don't know, but from the article (and it's not good to trust a journalist to get things right) he accelerated into her when she was right in front of him enough that she died even with a helmet on. We have a freak accident, the helmet not being properly tested, or the driver lied.
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Old 09-28-08, 06:58 PM
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there cannot be any proof that her helmet did not prevent any injuries unless we do the same but with someone not wearing a helmet, Pueblonative care to volunteer?

I don't see how the hell you can accelerate and not know something is in front of you, what the hell has this world come to...Laser distance meters really need to be implemented on all cars and people who do not have them ticketed for 1.5 times the cost of one, and then get the meter. The meter would prevent use of the gas pedal and apply the brake if it senses the vehicle won't stop in time to prevent an accident. Such things are already slowly being implemented but it needs to be a lot faster.
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Old 09-28-08, 07:03 PM
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Or we could just increase taxes to the point where owning a car isn't worth the hassle for most people. Wouldn't require any fancy equipment. Pour the money into bike and pubtrans infrastructure. It's worked all over Europe. Only thing stopping us from trying it here is selfishness.
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Old 09-28-08, 07:13 PM
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I quite agree. The OP is ugly in the extreme not to mention wholly illogical.
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Originally Posted by pueblonative View Post
https://blog.lib.umn.edu/burk0327/3101newsfall08/

Thoughts and prayers to the family, but I wonder what those wisecracking nurses with their "they have a name for bicyclists who don't wear helmets: organ donors" would call her? A good looking corpse?
Forget it. It's not a helmet issue. Most people that are afraid of driving bicycles in traffic, for whatever reason will never accept that a helmet might not protect someone as much as they think. So why bother. As long a its not mandatory who cares?

The sad part here is that this lady died, and that the news article implies that she was the one that hit the SUV. Not that the driver hit her.
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Old 09-28-08, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
I quite agree. The OP is ugly in the extreme not to mention wholly illogical.
Explain.

It sounds like the comments here including this one, are of the "emotional" variety, and not examples of logic. He just proved that the comment those nurses made was "Illogical".

If a big vehicle runs you over, there is not a helmet pretty enough to protect you. Sounds logical to me, don't you agree?
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Old 09-28-08, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Szczuldo View Post
there cannot be any proof that her helmet did not prevent any injuries unless we do the same but with someone not wearing a helmet, Pueblonative care to volunteer?

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That could be a third possibility, the bike helmet was in place and it was in another spot (i.e. to the nose through the brain or snapping the neck back.
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Old 09-28-08, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by uke View Post
Or we could just increase taxes to the point where owning a car isn't worth the hassle for most people. Wouldn't require any fancy equipment. Pour the money into bike and pubtrans infrastructure. It's worked all over Europe. Only thing stopping us from trying it here is selfishness.
only thing thats gonna do is boost up harley davison sales and small arms and ammunition to shoot cyclists with
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Old 09-28-08, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by uke View Post
Or we could just increase taxes to the point where owning a car isn't worth the hassle for most people. Wouldn't require any fancy equipment. Pour the money into bike and pubtrans infrastructure. It's worked all over Europe. Only thing stopping us from trying it here is selfishness.
Yes, selfhishness. Perhaps 1/3 of the people who live in your community have jobs tied in some way to motor transportation. Car dealers, repair shops, accessory or stereo stores, insurance companies, gas stations, banks, road workers, etc. Put these people out of work, and see how secure your own job is. The money these people earn finds it's own way to your business or your employer. If their jobs are gone, so is their money.

Many things that work in Europe will not work here. You seem to forget that America is a rather large country where not everyone lives in, or immediately next to the metro areas. Commuting 10 kilometers each day is one thing, commuting 100 is something else. If you are working 8 to 10 hours a day, 5, or even 6 days a week, and have a family at home, it's rather obvious that you don't have the time to ride.

As for taxing people until they can no longer afford cars, are you smoking crack? For every additional dollar the government raises taxes, they seem to spend an additional three dollars. Florida has spent tens of millions of dollars "planning" a new commuter train which would run from Miami to Orlando. Yet, after years of study and expense, there is nothing to show for it except the lost money and an inspecific map of where the train line "might" one day run.
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Old 09-28-08, 08:43 PM
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I've been told that the vast majority of people don't wear their helmets properly. When the helmet is correctly strapped on, you should not be able to wiggle it around on your head, lift it up, or push it back.

Your LBS will likely check the fit of your helmet for you if you stop in with it -- I did this and they found that my chin strap was way too loose and not far enough forward. They fixed it for me (thanks!)

I have no idea, of course, about how this particular person wore her helmet, and of course helmets can't prevent all injuries. But this is a good time to remind ourselves that the helmet is only effective if it's worn correctly.
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Originally Posted by Sangetsu View Post
Yes, selfhishness. Perhaps 1/3 of the people who live in your community have jobs tied in some way to motor transportation. Car dealers, repair shops, accessory or stereo stores, insurance companies, gas stations, banks, road workers, etc. Put these people out of work, and see how secure your own job is. The money these people earn finds it's own way to your business or your employer. If their jobs are gone, so is their money.

Many things that work in Europe will not work here. You seem to forget that America is a rather large country where not everyone lives in, or immediately next to the metro areas. Commuting 10 kilometers each day is one thing, commuting 100 is something else. If you are working 8 to 10 hours a day, 5, or even 6 days a week, and have a family at home, it's rather obvious that you don't have the time to ride.

As for taxing people until they can no longer afford cars, are you smoking crack? For every additional dollar the government raises taxes, they seem to spend an additional three dollars. Florida has spent tens of millions of dollars "planning" a new commuter train which would run from Miami to Orlando. Yet, after years of study and expense, there is nothing to show for it except the lost money and an inspecific map of where the train line "might" one day run.
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Doesn't matter what's on your head when you have an SUV on your chest.
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Originally Posted by Sangetsu View Post
Many things that work in Europe will not work here. You seem to forget that America is a rather large country where not everyone lives in, or immediately next to the metro areas. Commuting 10 kilometers each day is one thing, commuting 100 is something else. If you are working 8 to 10 hours a day, 5, or even 6 days a week, and have a family at home, it's rather obvious that you don't have the time to ride.
That's why most of the money would go toward public transportation. And despite the hemming and hawing about America being ginormous, etc, etc, the majority of people still use their cars for trips under five miles, according to polls on such things. Do some people drive dozens of miles to get to work? Sure. But the majority of folks don't, and for those, a developed pubtrans network would do miles of good. But people won't make such changes unless they're forced to. The majority of people who drive drive alone; carpooling is anathema. People in cities like Boston and NYC don't drive because A.) there are decent, if dilapidated, alternatives, and B.) it's too expensive and time-consuming to drive. So it can and does work. But in most cases, we'd rather throw our hands up in the air and say it would never work, America is too big, etc.

As for taxing people until they can no longer afford cars, are you smoking crack? For every additional dollar the government raises taxes, they seem to spend an additional three dollars. Florida has spent tens of millions of dollars "planning" a new commuter train which would run from Miami to Orlando. Yet, after years of study and expense, there is nothing to show for it except the lost money and an inspecific map of where the train line "might" one day run.
The problem here is your usage of an American government to illustrate why a European implementation wouldn't work. You see, some governments actually spend money on improving the welfare of the public, rather than on building bridges to nowhere and absorbing costs through Halliburton-type deals between officials and corporations. To make this work, we'd need people actually interested in making this work, and not people interested in lining their pockets. Unless American politicians are just ethically inferior to their European counterparts, there should be a way to make this work here the way it's worked abroad. Of course, it's entirely possible American officials are just too corrupt to be trusted to use public money for public welfare. In such a case, then it might be time for a new government.
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This report says that she was hit by the car - https://www.twincities.com/ci_1057692...twincities.com

This report - https://www.startribune.com/local/stp...D3aPc:_Yyc:aUU - says that her bicycle and the SUV collided.

So it would appear that the reports were reasonably accurate in their description of what seems to have happened.

The driver is clearly of the "She beamed down from the Star Ship Enterprise" or SMIDSY ("Sorry mate, I didn't see you - UK usage) school of driver education.
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Originally Posted by pueblonative View Post
https://blog.lib.umn.edu/burk0327/3101newsfall08/

Thoughts and prayers to the family, but I wonder what those wisecracking nurses with their "they have a name for bicyclists who don't wear helmets: organ donors" would call her? A good looking corpse?
Yes, a helmet doesn't save you 100% of the time, but I prefer to go with the odds. All safety equipment increases your odds of surviving.

My condolences to the family of the victim.
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Yes, a helmet doesn't save you 100% of the time, but I prefer to go with the odds. All safety equipment increases your odds of surviving.

My condolences to the family of the victim.
Oddly enough, I agree, if you feel the need to wear one, by all means, do it.

I'm just tired of hearing the nitwits prattle on like wearing a helmet is some sort of magic cloak that will keep you alive when that semi driver decides you'll make a pretty pattern on the pavement.
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I'm with uke. specially the foo' part
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