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Old 10-10-08, 06:26 PM
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You both should have been locked up for being stupid in a no stupid zone.
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Old 10-10-08, 06:40 PM
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A number of people have said the cyclist did the right thing by smashing the headlight. I find that disturbing. Such behaviour on the part of one cyclist reflects badly on the cycling community as a whole. If we want to get respect, willful damage of other vehicles is not a wise choice.

If a cyclist has a problem with a motorist, the best option is to call the police. Where I live, they will take the cyclist's complaints seriously as road safety, for all road users, is a priority.
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Old 10-10-08, 06:59 PM
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Pass the popcorn....

Sorry, can't condone what you did. Around here, it would be a case of malicious vandalism, and you would probably have been popped for it.

Does your state allow citizens to report improper operation of a motor vehicle? Massachusetts does.
see the form here. This is a little known law, and I can't say what happens, should a hearing actually take place. And of course, a citizen must be willing to follow through and attend the hearing when it is scheduled.

A better approach might have been to simply approach the teenaged pukes, recite the plate number to them, and tell them you will file a complaint. They probably would have laughed. But I don't think they'd be laughing when they receive that summons.

That aside, what the teenaged pukes did was just another good argument for raising the minimum age for a driver's license. MA was going to do this a few years ago, but the bill got shouted down by,,,, the parents of teenaged pukes.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.
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Old 10-10-08, 08:00 PM
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Pass the popcorn....
You're too late. The last bag in the box was already eaten long ago...

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Old 10-10-08, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Don't know about the car forums, but who are they referring to as an "injured" 3rd party there... some other motorist? So what, the bias there is motorist vrs motorist vrs motorist (cop)? Who is the "odd" party?

In the case of cyclist vrs motorist vrs motorist (cop) there is obviously a different party there... and plenty of evidence that supports a bias against the "different" party.

That you refuse to accept that there is a bias or may be a bias is somewhat telling about you as a ?cyclist?

Did you even go to any of the links I posted?
No, it's evidence to say it's just cop attitude, not a secret underground anti-cyclist movement.
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Old 10-10-08, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Newspaperguy View Post
A number of people have said the cyclist did the right thing by smashing the headlight. I find that disturbing. Such behaviour on the part of one cyclist reflects badly on the cycling community as a whole. If we want to get respect, willful damage of other vehicles is not a wise choice.

If a cyclist has a problem with a motorist, the best option is to call the police. Where I live, they will take the cyclist's complaints seriously as road safety, for all road users, is a priority.
You know how many cars I would break if I got out and started breaking parts off of other people's cars when they cut me off?

And don't give me "I'm on a bike, QQ" crap, I'm in a 92 econobox that doesn't fair much better.
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Old 10-11-08, 01:44 AM
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No offense, but the OP isn't responsible for anyone else's actions except his own. I get really tired of this giving cyclists a bad name bull****, pretending that his actions are somehow going to cause a person to go nuts and kill a cyclist.
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Old 10-11-08, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by stevo9er View Post
No offense, but the OP isn't responsible for anyone else's actions except his own. I get really tired of this giving cyclists a bad name bull****, pretending that his actions are somehow going to cause a person to go nuts and kill a cyclist.
No, but I commonly hear stories like his when I talk to someone about cycling.

Hence I get lumped into that group.
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Old 10-11-08, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Newspaperguy View Post
A number of people have said the cyclist did the right thing by smashing the headlight. I find that disturbing. Such behaviour on the part of one cyclist reflects badly on the cycling community as a whole. If we want to get respect, willful damage of other vehicles is not a wise choice.

If a cyclist has a problem with a motorist, the best option is to call the police. Where I live, they will take the cyclist's complaints seriously as road safety, for all road users, is a priority.
I really don't care if my behavior "reflects badly" to a teenager and his peers. In fact, I'm quite satisfied if most teenagers think I'm a total and complete jerk, and a nasty, dangerous jerk at that.

I'm the father of two excellent adolescents. I know whereof I speak. The adolescent mind is still functioning on a pretty primal level. There are two ways to get respect, and in this situation, one.

Remember, nobody "gives" you respect. You act in a way that demands respect. Cowering, as StrangeWill does, afraid of confrontation, running away and calling "mommy" (police) on the cellphone -- nope, no respect.

The last time somebody literally tried to kill me with his car, first by forcing me off the road and then by pulling in front of me and jamming on his brakes -- I found a policeman in the center of town, rode up to him, and said, "somebody just tried to kill me with his car!"

The cop laughed, and replied, "Well, looks like he missed."

I just turned around and walked away, because the next words out of my mouth were not words that one says to an on-duty cop and expect to retain one's liberty.

So, yeah. By retaliating right there, right then, the OP did the exact right thing. I would have done the same, except I would have taken out a more vulnerable part of the car.
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Old 10-11-08, 07:25 AM
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To The OP

These " I was almost hit, killed, run into etc..." so I retaliated threads bother me. The only damage, other then perhaps to your chamois, was done by you committing a crime.
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Old 10-11-08, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bhchdh View Post
to the op

these " i was almost hit, killed, run into etc..." so i retaliated threads bother me. The only damage, other then perhaps to your chamois, was done by you committing a crime.
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Old 10-11-08, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bhchdh View Post
To The OP

These " I was almost hit, killed, run into etc..." so I retaliated threads bother me. The only damage, other then perhaps to your chamois, was done by you committing a crime.

+100

If folks would just wait until they have been killed or seriously injured before they retaliate we would be a lot better off. Good point.
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Old 10-11-08, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by stevo9er View Post
No offense, but the OP isn't responsible for anyone else's actions except his own. I get really tired of this giving cyclists a bad name bull****, pretending that his actions are somehow going to cause a person to go nuts and kill a cyclist.
Agreed. It is faulty logic that appears frequently in the BF. But if we "accept" or conceed that it is true, then as long as there is one troublemaker, all cyclists will be blamed. Hopefully then the true believers in the "set a good example logic", can move on to something more productiive, like making sure there is not that one person out there giving us a bad name.

I think that it is cyclists' status at "other" that makes this type of thinking common place.

I would not have kicked the light.
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Old 10-11-08, 09:19 AM
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The ones who talk about retaliation and demanding respect on the roads are also the ones who seem to have the most problems with dangerous drivers. The ones who don't view the streets as battlegrounds seem to have much more pleasant cycling experiences. Sure, there are some irresponsible, careless and dangerous drivers out there, but I've found them to be in a tiny minority.
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Old 10-11-08, 09:33 AM
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Sure, there are some irresponsible, careless and dangerous drivers out there, but I've found them to be in a tiny minority.
Of course...but who would argue with that? We all know it's a minority of drivers who act like this.
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Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
No, it's evidence to say it's just cop attitude, not a secret underground anti-cyclist movement.
Hey I agree that it isn't some "secret underground anti-cyclist movement." I'm with you there... but it does go beyond just "cop attitude..." and no it is not organized in any way. (except for the occasional rants from shock jock DJs that themselves need a good smack in the head).

This is generally just a reaction to "that which is different" in our "auto centric" society. But the end result is that cyclists tend to be shorted when it comes to road use and justice.

But certainly this is NOT some giant secret conspiracy. It is just plain old bias. It's a them and us thing... that's all.
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Hmmm... the OP hasn't responded to the thread in quite a while. I wonder if he's out there handing out justice right now???



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Hmmm... the OP hasn't responded to the thread in quite a while. I wonder if he's out there handing out justice right now???






Classic and well done. Good editing.
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Old 10-11-08, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by parker63 View Post
Hmmm... the OP hasn't responded to the thread in quite a while. I wonder if he's out there handing out justice right now???



I lolled..hard.
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Old 10-11-08, 12:11 PM
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OMG!!

I almost laughed too!
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Hmmm... the OP hasn't responded to the thread in quite a while. I wonder if he's out there handing out justice right now???
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Old 10-11-08, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Hey I agree that it isn't some "secret underground anti-cyclist movement." I'm with you there... but it does go beyond just "cop attitude..." and no it is not organized in any way. (except for the occasional rants from shock jock DJs that themselves need a good smack in the head).

This is generally just a reaction to "that which is different" in our "auto centric" society. But the end result is that cyclists tend to be shorted when it comes to road use and justice.

But certainly this is NOT some giant secret conspiracy. It is just plain old bias. It's a them and us thing... that's all.
I'm just saying I've been on both sides of the fence, and both you guys (cyclists and motorists) complain a lot about cops picking on you guys and being nicer to the other group.
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Old 10-11-08, 05:40 PM
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Hmmm... the OP hasn't responded to the thread in quite a while.
I don't blame him. He came here to relate a story of human interest. The humans here handed him his chamois on a griddle for the most part. Defending oneself gets old pretty quickly.

I'm thinking he is out riding his bike.
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I don't blame him. He came here to relate a story of human interest. The humans here handed him his chamois on a griddle for the most part. Defending oneself gets old pretty quickly.

I'm thinking he is out riding his bike.
Yeah, shows what kind of person that goes on the defensive of vandalism being perfectly fine, as opposed to maybe learning something from the fact that people don't like vandals.
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Yeah, shows what kind of person that goes on the defensive of vandalism being perfectly fine, as opposed to maybe learning something from the fact that people don't like vandals.
The OP didn't Krylon his tag on the kid's car for fun. He reacted to a perception that a felon tried to purposely commit an assault with a deadly 2000 lb weapon against him. Then, considering being laughed at by the cops as an alternative, he took another approach. Is kicking the kids (parents) car headlight out smart? Maybe not. Do I understand an act in the heat of the moment? Yes. Would I do that? No. Do I care about that kid's parents headlight? Hell no.

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