BesidesDaniel

That was a dumb thing to say.

thanks tho!

CB HI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk49_0RC_ek&NR=1

Who has the bigger problem here?

Threats of violence, death?

"You got that camera on, if I find myself on "

cyclezealot

^. Curious to know who videoed the officier. Sure its for real. Acts more like a security guard.

zeytoun

Yes it's for real. The officer was suspended (with pay) after the youtube video surfaced. It got picked up by the local news.

zeytoun

That's a nice little tautology but it's out of touch. Many law abiding citizens have had multiple bad experiences with law enforcement through no fault of their own.

Certainly to categorize all cops negatively is both inaccurate and wrong, but studies demonstrating unfair targeting of minorities in many area are plentiful, and cases where it escalates to the level of brutality on the innocent are not uncommon.

Now, people like Dobber might compare us to more brutal police states. It is true that we are freer than most nations, here in America. But to think that we should tolerate even one incident of misuse of police power, because it's not as bad as it could be, is a nonsensical argument that lessens us, and, when it comes from the mouth of someone who is willing to criticize others at the drop of a hat, is indicative of deep bias.

EatMyA**

Time machine, he he he. Thats nice.

I can tell you have never lived outside the US. You should stop watching so much tv. Actually in other countries the government FEARS the people. Thats why they pull that BS when things get bad. Because the people get crazy there when they get taken advantage of.

Here its the other way around. The people FEAR the government. We take it straight up the ass. Then we take it out on each other. Thats where comments like "do whatever the cop says" come from.

dave_gt

Well,

First of all, read the law on riding bikes in Georgia...see Georgia Bikes website.

Second of all, be aware that you cannot be given a ticket on your driving record...that is State law.

Third, get a separate State ID...do NOT give a cop your driver's license, it is only a requirement when you are operating a motor vehicle, not a bike.

Fourth, ride according to the State law and you will not be hassled. This includes some discretionary actions on your part, but you should not have any problems if you simply follow the bicycle law here.

Fifth, go get a beverage of your favorite choice and chalk it up to the old "what did I learn from this experience?"....

S*** happens, DAMHIK...

Tomorrow is a new day!

Sledbikes

heres one on how cops act in chicago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLgtNPvQtCE

CB HI

Will GA give a state ID to someone that already has a drivers license. HI will not.

I-Like-To-Bike

Neither will Iowa. Also a law officer doesn't have to see a driver's license to get all the driver's license info if a drivers license has been issued to the bicyclist. That's what on board computers and/or radio dispatchers can do once given a name and address. If the law officer writes a traffic ticket on a bicyclist and feels like including driver's license info (if it exists) he can do so whether the bicyclist presents a driver's license or not. Whether the ticket affects the driving record, points, and/or insurance rates is another issue all together.

Biker43

Is this you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GQuUa1hYl8

Or maybe one in here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-eE4...eature=related

Since it's a video of cyclists doing stupid things, it must mean that since you are a cyclist, that you are stupid or do stupid things What does the video show? Nothing that I can see that would count as criminal. We haven't seen the before part or the part where the guy may have been doing something stupid to antagonize the officer. The person that has the video camera can edit any part out, so it really isn't a true account of anything. Just because it's on video, it doesn't always tell the true story.

I realize that maybe at some point in your life you have had bad experiences with CPD, that's too bad. If you have been wronged by the police, then have the incident documented and file the complaint. It's really not that difficult. Painting all officers with such a broad brush is just not smart.

dobber

Yeah, those Iraqis had Saddam by the short hairs, didn't they. And Stalin was just a jolly old codger. Let's not forget Idi Amin or Pol Pot.

CB HI

Please do show us any US law that requires a cyclist to carry proof of ID.

Not to mention, cops have to have a valid legal reason to stop a person, otherwise it is harassment.

xenologer

Uh how about NO.
Cops suck, I win.

No, I win.

ilchymis

I have to take issue with this, actually. There exist varying degrees of things; while we certainly aren't as bad off as the Soviet Union was when it comes to authoritarian suppression of civil liberties, certain recent events in the United States, such as the federal government's suppression of first-amendment rights at the Republican National Convention, betray an emerging police state mentality here, and put the lie to your claim that we are, in fact, allowed to express ourselves without fear of retribution. It is folly to suggest that just because we haven't yet reached the worst of all possible worlds, we do not have serious problems in this country.

This is said with all due respect to Biker43, the sheriff's deputy who lives down my street, and all the other good cops out there.

unterhausen

Due to a recent SCOTUS decision, a cop can always ask for ID, and can arrest you if you refuse to present said ID. Of course, it's not a criminal offense, but that doesn't do you much good when you are on your way to the cop shop. They'll also probably charge you with resisting arrest, which is a Kafkaesque travesty. Guy in Idaho was having an argument with his daughter in his pickup -- she was the driver, but had stopped. Cops insisted that he present ID, he refused, they arrested him. SCOTUS said this was ok.

stevo9er

He said turning into. Technically the current administration and congress have degraded civil liberties, so his statement isn't exactly far out there.

Making this argument in light of people being held as "legal combatants" for 5+ years without trial while being tortured makes your argument sound more absurd then his remark. Add in warrantless wiretapping, the patriot act, etc. Yeah...

StrangeWill

Can you give us where the decision was made?

CB HI

That decision was discussed here and on other forums. It is not even recent. And you have the meaning of the decision completely screwed up as many before you have.

Do a search of the forum.

EatMyA**

yeah and how they end up dude?

stalin was hanged and mutilated along with his woman by his own people!

saddam had MULTIPLE attempts on his life, and damned good ones too. It was common. Thats why he did the crap he did. Had the US not SAVED his ass, he would have ended up the same. We got there just in time.

you don't see bush getting the same treatment. cant compare.

Good strawmen though

EatMyA**

Sorry not anymore. Also they can enter your home not with suspicion, but now curiosity is enough. I flipped last year when I found out about it.

CB HI

Please do provide us some evidence of such.

If you are talking about "FBI sneak and peak"; those still require a search warrant signed by a Judge, and still must comply with the fourth and fifth amendments.

CB HI

Yet another thread where so many will start blowing it out their behind, without a clue to what they are talking about.

CB HI

SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the United States. He is trying to impress us with a few acronyms.

Original case began in Nevada.

CB HI

Here is the thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ification+card

The two cases that get thrown out are:

Hibel v the Sixth District Judicial Court of Nv.( 542 US 177-2004)
which occurred in Nevada not Idaho as unterhausen claimed.
The Nevada statute is narrow and precise." The Nevada Supreme Court had held that the Nevada statute required only that the suspect divulge his name; presumably, he could do so without handing over any documents whatsoever. As long as the suspect tells the officer his name, he has satisfied the dictates of the Nevada stop-and-identify law. That is what the SCOTUS affirmed.


People v. McKay (2002) , Cal.4th
In this case the man had committed a crime first and the crime was the reason he had to produce a valid ID card (if he wanted to just get a ticket rather than a trip to jail) under police procedural law. The guy was never arrested or charged with "not showing an ID card". The CA law would not have allowed him to be arrested or charged with "not showing an ID card".

Now let us see just how many here do not get the finer points of the law!