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Old 01-14-09, 04:21 PM
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Taxing vehicles (including bikes) based on weight.

A common response to those to propose taxing cyclists for use of the roads is "Sure - go ahead and bill me for whatever use my 15 lb bike and 155 lb body incurs."

ok at least that's my response.

Well - that might happen -for cars at least. If motorbikes and scooters are being taxed an additional $16 - I'm guessing that would be about 83 cents for bikes. Maybe more for a decked out utility bike.

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Colo. drivers could pay more based on how much car weighs
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Old 01-14-09, 04:34 PM
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Why do people always assume that any such tax would be directly proportional to the weight of the bike? I think that it would be much more likely that a state would create vehicle classes (e.g., "all vehicles with a weight of under 1,000 pounds") rather than taxing on a per-pound basis.
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Old 01-14-09, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesdenver View Post
A common response to those to propose taxing cyclists for use of the roads is "Sure - go ahead and bill me for whatever use my 15 lb bike and 155 lb body incurs."

ok at least that's my response.

Well - that might happen -for cars at least. If motorbikes and scooters are being taxed an additional $16 - I'm guessing that would be about 83 cents for bikes. Maybe more for a decked out utility bike.

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How many legitimate government organizations have actually made any serious efforts at "taxing" cyclists beyond a $1 or $2 sticker fee? Enough to get concerned about and waste too many electrons? I doubt it.
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Old 01-14-09, 05:41 PM
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Only problem with taxing by weight is that it doesn't take into consideration the amount of use, like a gas tax does. Or are we talking general registration on top of the fuel taxes?

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Notice how a 20,000 pound truck would pay just over double the amount a 500 pound motorcycle would pay.
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Old 01-14-09, 07:03 PM
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Shouldn't it be weight vs. surface area of wheel?
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Old 01-14-09, 07:36 PM
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Unfortunately that would be $0.83 plus about $25 to handle the paper work :-(
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Unfair. Folks who cannot afford anything better then cheap, gas-pipe Wal-Mart beaters will be forced to pay roughly the same amount in taxes as a small SUV, while the fellow who owns the bike that weighs "less then a fart and cost more then a divorce" will get a tax refund.



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Old 01-14-09, 09:29 PM
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I don't see any tax, regardless of how it's measured and assessed, happening to bicycles or cyclists, so the point is moot. Most adult cyclists are already licensed drivers and most would balk at being double taxed, punished for operating a vehicle that decreases congestion and causes no pollution. All adult cyclists, directly or indirectly, pay municipal taxes as well and it is those fees that pay for community roads. The other riders are children under 16 and how do you tax them? Go after their allowances and paper-route money? Any system would be fatally flawed anyway as it would be virtually unenforcable.
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Old 01-14-09, 11:10 PM
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decreases congestion
A good point brought up that would basically void any tax towards a cyclist I would think.
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Old 01-15-09, 02:28 PM
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This is an unfair tax. It does not tax by weight. If it was a weight tax, the tax on 8000 lb vehicle would be double that
of a smaller 4000 lb vehicle. Road wear is proportional to weight, and an extra road tax should be proportional by weight so those using and wearing out the roads the most are paying for their extra wear.

Still needed: a better idea for change.
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Sounds like the administrative costs would be a killer. The main weight on a bike is the person and that varies from rider to rider. The main weight on a car is the car and that's in manufacturers specifications on around one hundred models of car (per year). So either they assume all bicyclists are 180lbs (pretty fair I think) or they make you come in and weigh. The latter would be expensive.

I'm fine with taxing bikes. I think they should tax either tires or wheels at time of purchase. I'm guessing that mountain bikers would prefer tires and road bikers would prefer wheels .
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Old 01-15-09, 10:36 PM
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Bikes are taxed here, it is called a sales tax and it applies to the bike and all accessories and all upgrades. Simple and effective. It might be different if gas taxes paid for the roads but they don't. If cars had to pay for all the pollution, noise, global warming, health care costs, etc. that they cause, gas tax would be probably $12 a gallon. Bicyclists should be paid since they save all the money that is spent on air, water and noise pollution and all the other costs on taxpayers.
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Old 01-16-09, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HiYoSilver View Post
... If it was a weight tax, the tax on 8000 lb vehicle would be double that of a smaller 4000 lb vehicle. Road wear is proportional to weight, and an extra road tax should be proportional by weight so those using and wearing out the roads the most are paying for their extra wear. ...
Not directly proportional: it's MUCH worse. From a web page for the UK Department for Transport, in the section under The impact of lorry weights on roads and bridges:

"Road wear is approximately proportional to the weight of an axle raised to its 4th power. Thus, an 11.5 tonne axle causes about 45% more wear than a 10.5 tonne axle."
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Originally Posted by crackerdog View Post
bikes are taxed here, it is called a sales tax and it applies to the bike and all accessories and all upgrades. Simple and effective. It might be different if gas taxes paid for the roads but they don't. If cars had to pay for all the pollution, noise, global warming, health care costs, etc. That they cause, gas tax would be probably $12 a gallon. Bicyclists should be paid since they save all the money that is spent on air, water and noise pollution and all the other costs on taxpayers.
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Originally Posted by crackerdog View Post
Bikes are taxed here, it is called a sales tax and it applies to the bike and all accessories and all upgrades. Simple and effective. It might be different if gas taxes paid for the roads but they don't. If cars had to pay for all the pollution, noise, global warming, health care costs, etc. that they cause, gas tax would be probably $12 a gallon. Bicyclists should be paid since they save all the money that is spent on air, water and noise pollution and all the other costs on taxpayers.
One of the good things here in Ontario is that bicycles under $1,000 and accessories are sales-tax exempt. Seems our provicial government not only doesn't think they should have a tax applied to them for use of the road---considering adult cyclists already pay for the privelege through municipal taxes---but that they shouldn't be taxed at all. There are even a number of gas stations that provide free air for cyclists, but not for motorists.
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