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Old 01-27-09, 10:58 AM
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The only time I have problems with joggers or walkers is if they're in crowds of 3 or more. Otherwise I can almost always get around them.
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Old 01-27-09, 11:25 AM
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If there is space to move around the jogger, 99% of cyclists will do that. If there is not, and the jogger is taking up the entire path and/or is meandering back and forth across the pathway, plus he has his/her ears plugged up and is otherwise unresponsive to verbal calls and bell rings, I have no problem Airzounding them. This actually for their safety, as I'm sure it is better to alert them that you're right on their ass as opposed to just running them over or buzzing them. When cyclists ring a bell or an airhorn, they're usually not trying to be jerks about it. They just want you to politely move over. That's all.

If there are faster cyclists on the MUP, I courteously move over for them. Joggers and peds should do the same.
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Old 01-27-09, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
I'm not a violent guy either, and 3 1/2 years of martial arts taught me the value of not putting yourself in a situation where you're going to be vulnerable, as well as value of knowing when to just walk from a bad situation. Gave me faster reflexes too. If you feel the need to make yourself vulnerable and lack the maturity or discipline to avoid striking someone without forethought, why don't you think about staying away from the public and running on a treadmill? After all, how do you know that the next person that startles you won't be your wife or someone's toddler instead of someone who wants you to share the public space you're in?
First, I don't think you can say that blasting me with 120+db audio @ less than 5 feet away is mature - but then you expect me to say 'oh, I'm in your way. Excuse me.'

Get a grip Seifu, the average person will strike at someone who comes barreling up on them and then proceeds to cause them PHYSICAL PAIN and comes across as a threat. Remember they're already impairing one of their 5 senses by listening to music in the 80ish db range. They're not wearing mirrors to look behind them (as you probably are) and there isn't a lot of foot traffic other than the occasional jogger/biker on an otherwise quiet MUP. For clarification, the MUP I run on is approx 10 feet wide with high vegetation on BOTH sides of it obscuring side-to-side viewing and offering good camouflage. So good in fact, that the homeless community uses it for their bedroom/bathroom.

You're attempt at turning this my defensive response to threats into a sociopath mentality implies that you can predict the future, and live in a different part of the world than I do.

I'd caution you in the part of the world where I live (where people actually die and get killed) to not be so cavalier. Next time you think people down here are a bit paranoid about being attacked - google violence in Mexico/border towns.

If your in doubt, refer back to the World Wide Web for audio damage levels caused by db before you reply with something as mundane as "you lack self control if you wont' let me hurt you or be a threat."
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Old 01-27-09, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Santaria View Post
Honestly, I run with headphones on because I'm usually out for a 10+ mile run.

If a rider came up on me and blew an airzone at me, I wouldn't be lying in saying I'd probably strike them. I'm not a violent guy - but you'd put me into fight or flight mode...and I'm already running.

Good way to maybe get some mace in the face, or (as I already said) find a 200 lb. 6 foot former linebacker standing over you as you're pulling grass out of your face.


I'd suggest putting the vehicle on the road, and avoiding the multipurpose path.

My wife, she'd probably scream in your face and cause a scene, because people tend to get pissed when you scare them like that. Try it with a woman and you might even find you're facing something worse -

Think they might be terrified you were an attacker?
I can appreciate that you want music on your long run, but---as you point out---YOU are also on a multi-purpose pathway and need to conduct yourself accordingly and that means sharing, being aware of other legal and legitimate users of the path and not reacting violently when reminded if you're not. Suggesting others avoid using a MUP because you've decided that, for your own personal enjoyment alone, you have chosen to shut down one of your primary senses is, quite frankly, ridiculous and unreasonable. But if your lashing out seems like a rational response, perhaps cyclists should just ride up and mace you first. Would that be acceptable?

How about turning the volume down, doing shoulder-checks regularly and keeping to one side of the path?
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Old 01-27-09, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by EnigManiac View Post
I can appreciate that you want music on your long run, but---as you point out---YOU are also on a multi-purpose pathway and need to conduct yourself accordingly and that means sharing, being aware of other legal and legitimate users of the path and not reacting violently when reminded if you're not. Suggesting others avoid using a MUP because you've decided that, for your own personal enjoyment alone, you have chosen to shut down one of your primary senses is, quite frankly, ridiculous and unreasonable. But if your lashing out seems like a rational response, perhaps cyclists should just ride up and mace you first. Would that be acceptable?

How about turning the volume down, doing shoulder-checks regularly and keeping to one side of the path?
This is valid. But my response is directed at riding up onto a runner w/ an iPod on and using a 120 db airhorn on him/her to get their attention as (payback, a joke, humor) has been implied.

I think you'd be pretty pissed off if you were cruising along at a good clip on your $1k road bike burning along the MUP at 10+MPH when you pass an attentive jogger only to have him...


...pull out an airhorn and blast you in the face full volume...


if you didn't say 'on your left.'


Bottom line, my response is directed at any act of aggression used to 'teach' someone a lesson.

The MUP IS for everybody to use, and my conclusion (and point which has long since been lost apparently) is that an audio attack is NOT the solution to the problem. No matter how FUNNY people think it might be.
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Old 01-27-09, 11:53 AM
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I wouldn't have even tried to pass the guy, instead I would have turned around, rode home, and got on the internet to rant about it until the world was a better place.
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Old 01-27-09, 11:55 AM
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I've used an Airzound on a MUP. I turn the volume down a bit, and generally give a toot (not a blast) on it while still fairly well back. That's for my own safety, as others have pointed out that people's reactions are unpredictable. Then they have time to sort out what's going on and I can maneuver (or slow down--this is always an option, remember) to pass safely.
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Old 01-27-09, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by J B Bell View Post
I've used an Airzound on a MUP. I turn the volume down a bit, and generally give a toot (not a blast) on it while still fairly well back. That's for my own safety, as others have pointed out that people's reactions are unpredictable. Then they have time to sort out what's going on and I can maneuver (or slow down--this is always an option, remember) to pass safely.

+50


Giving a toot, at a distance is far different than

In the meantime, get one of these if you don't like being passive
So we've said we'll aggressively use something to 'teach.'

My wife's response, which ironically is probably closer to what would happen overall (being she's not a biker or veteran runner)

"Because I usually have the boys out in the stroller at a slow jog, if someone blew something like a boat horn at me, I'd probably freak and dump the stroller on accident!"

Seems like it would just create chaos, not get them to 'clear the flight deck' for you.
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Old 01-27-09, 12:04 PM
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If you cant determine a route around a jogger in between the 10-15 seconds (probably more) that you have from the time you see them until your upon them.... then honestly....why are you even on a bike?
I would think it would be a tougher challenge for you clipping in, or even figuring out how to inflate a tire.

Ohh I forgot......its never the bikers fault...its someone else...It's OUR road...not to be shared.
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Old 01-27-09, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Santaria View Post
Honestly, I run with headphones on because I'm usually out for a 10+ mile run.

If a rider came up on me and blew an airzone at me, I wouldn't be lying in saying I'd probably strike them. I'm not a violent guy - but you'd put me into fight or flight mode...and I'm already running.

Good way to maybe get some mace in the face, or (as I already said) find a 200 lb. 6 foot former linebacker standing over you as you're pulling grass out of your face.


I'd suggest putting the vehicle on the road, and avoiding the multipurpose path.

My wife, she'd probably scream in your face and cause a scene, because people tend to get pissed when you scare them like that. Try it with a woman and you might even find you're facing something worse -

Think they might be terrified you were an attacker?
Why do you assume that you would come out on top in an attack that you initiated? Because you're big and you trained for playing a ball game? pfft. You never know who you're messing with, or what they are capable of. I'd say it's better to not start with the violence. Starting a fight because someone honked at you is not smart.
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Old 01-27-09, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jasandalb View Post
If you cant determine a route around a jogger in between the 10-15 seconds (probably more) that you have from the time you see them until your upon them.... then honestly....why are you even on a bike?
I would think it would be a tougher challenge for you clipping in, or even figuring out how to inflate a tire.

Ohh I forgot......its never the bikers fault...its someone else...It's OUR road...not to be shared.
On a busy MUP, sometimes there's traffic coming the other way, and you can't just go into the oncoming lane to pass the jogger(s) who's taking up all four feet of the lane they're in.

Jeez, you're a smug one.
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Old 01-27-09, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Why do you assume that you would come out on top in an attack that you initiated? Because you're big and you trained for playing a ball game? pfft. You never know who you're messing with, or what they are capable of. I'd say it's better to not start with the violence. Starting a fight because someone honked at you is not smart.
Sigh, I'm wrong
I wholeheartedly advocate attacking headphone-wearing joggers w/ 115+db (adjusted as per the product's website information ((Sorry, I'm stupid in assuming it was 120 db)) and if they don't like it - they can gtfo the MUP and use a treadmill. Afterall, roads are for cars - hence their need to attack us with their nudging and high decibel horns, and MUPS are for cyclists, hence their need to attack pedestrians with their nudging and high decibel horns.

I'm out, you have convinced me of my error.
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Old 01-27-09, 12:26 PM
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Seems like some folks might come unhinged if they get blasted with the horn because they can't hear the human voice above their tunes. Might wanna carry a sidearm in addition to an Airzound.


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Old 01-27-09, 12:32 PM
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Joggers are no big problem for skilled and experienced cyclists.
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Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
Joggers are no big problem for skilled and experienced cyclists.
Except when they block you and won't respond to verbal announcements/bells/what have you.

Or do Skilled and Experienced Cyclists just bunny hop them?
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Old 01-27-09, 12:42 PM
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I rarely encounter joggers I can't get around, unless they're of the dreaded Jogger/dogwalker hybrid variety. Dog darting to and fro on his 12' leash!!!
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Old 01-27-09, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
On a busy MUP, sometimes there's traffic coming the other way, and you can't just go into the oncoming lane to pass the jogger(s) who's taking up all four feet of the lane they're in.

Jeez, you're a smug one.
Ya mean a speeding bicyclist might have to slow down or wait a few moments before making a safe pass of a pedestrian due to trafffic? Yikes! That sounds as bad as a motorist having to wait a few moments to make a safe pass of a cyclist because of traffic. And of course all such delayed motorists are perfectly correct for leaning on the horn in fits of rage because of such delays, eh?
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Old 01-27-09, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Ya mean a speeding bicyclist might have to slow down or wait a few moments before making a safe pass of a pedestrian due to trafffic?
Correct. But to be polite, the slower moving traffic should move over, when possible.

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Yikes! That sounds as bad as a motorist having to wait a few moments to make a safe pass of a cyclist because of traffic. And of course all such delayed motorists are perfectly correct for leaning on the horn in fits of rage because of such delays, eh?
ILTB, you've got to stop assuming the worst motivations in people. I guess you think you've got me all figured out, eh?
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
ILTB, you've got to stop assuming the worst motivations in people. I guess you think you've got me all figured out, eh?
What....that you bought your first Jazz CD on your 21st b-day.....and like the Patriots.
Enough said.....your from Boston...your arrogance speaks for itself.
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Old 01-27-09, 02:16 PM
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Horns come in useful in other situations as well. One night I was riding past a jogger wearing headphones who was jogging in the opposite direction (we were both riding in the street). I could see the big white lights of a car bearing down hard behind him. He was totally oblivious about the car coming up behind him, because he couldn't hear and was looking straight down at the ground. He was running right in the middle of the lane but was wearing all black so it was uncertain whether or not the car could even see him.

I gave the Airzound a toot to get his attention and point out that there was a car about to run him over, and I'm sure he was a bit appreciative.

Cars are equipped with horns, not as a tool to teach people a lesson or to vent road rage, but because sometimes you need to alert someone using audio. Ringing a little brass bell on your car isn't going to work, because most drivers can't hear it above traffic. The same way that most joggers with headphones aren't going to hear a little bell; you need something louder.

That's not to say that you should lay down the horn at all times, just like you don't do that in a car (except maybe in NYC and New Delhi). You should use it sparingly, but it's definitely handy if you need it.
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Have you people learned nothing from the way some motorists pass us on the road? Pass safely (and preferably quietly), or wait until you can. If you're too impatient for that, get off the path altogether and use the road.

And the people that apparently take great delight in scaring the bejeezus out of people with an airhorn should be ashamed of themselves.

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Nope. Never with IPODS. only problem is when 3 joggers take up the whole lane or roller skater going back and forth.

I love the scum bags that come right next/behind you and blast you with a horn for no good reason. I just luv them so much.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
On a busy MUP, sometimes there's traffic coming the other way, and you can't just go into the oncoming lane to pass the jogger(s) who's taking up all four feet of the lane they're in.
Now, how much traffic is coming the other way? How much brush is obstructing your opportunity to pass these joggers? You sound like some of the motorists who pass me. Slowing down for a moment, exercising a bit of patience until a clear path around (the joggers in your case, me, in the case of the motorists I cite), is an option so many of us tend to overlook. Just slow down behind them until you can pull around them safely. If the MUP is wall to wall traffic in both directions, and you have no path around these cyclists, then, remind yourself that they have as much right to the path as you with no obligation to accommodate you just because you choose to move faster than they.

There is no law granting you super-right-of-way on this path. If traffic is heavy, you need to slow down. If traffic is light, you need to find a way around these joggers. That they choose to ignore you (and/or their surroundings) by whatever means (even wearing phones and turning up the volume) is their right.

They might be more considerate, but their cloddishness give you no right to nudge them with your bike - that's caveman stuff.

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Originally Posted by Kerlenbach View Post
The worst crash I ever had was on a path when I ran into a small child pushed into my path by an inattentive mother. I've not set foot (or tire) on a path since. I suggest staying on the road whenever possible. If you have to ride on a path, I think the OP's actions were reasonable.
people do stupid stuff everywhere.

yeah, MUP's and bike paths can be a drag, especially in really good weather and/or on a weekend but I picked out your post because, ironically, I was riding today on Beacon street in Boston and a woman talking on a cell phone and pushing a baby carriage stepped into the road in front of me and an oncoming car in the next lane (though I'd have been the one to hit the carriage). The car and I had the green light and she came out from behind a snowbank hellbent to get across the road and I managed to slalom around her and her poor infant but the idea that you're unlikely or even that much less likely to encounter stupidity riding on the road is a misconception.
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Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
Joggers are no big problem for skilled and experienced cyclists.
...but if I were to take up a car lane on my bike where I didn't have to, then loll along listening to tunes and oblivious to anyone behind, I'd expect a horn blast first and then the finger.

On the MUP I always slow down, and stop if I have to (kids or animals), but to slow down to jogging pace and to yell at two guys in front of me who are still oblivious...I could have gone through the brush, sure, and let them have the whole path. In any case, I wouldn't get one of those horns because I live in a smaller size town without many cyclists - anyone I blasted I'd probably be seeing every week again if I didn't already know him from school or work or the neighborhood.

At least I can still (as mentioned upthread) go home and gripe on the internet.
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