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Old 01-29-09, 01:23 PM
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Riding on the sidewalk? That deserves a beating :-)

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Old 01-29-09, 02:29 PM
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Ah, he maced himself, I thought she maced him for a second.

Anyway on one end, officer an idiot for overreacting to the side walk incident.

On the other end, when an officer asks you to pull over, don't continue riding away from him, stop and talk to him in a civil manner.

I swear this planet is full of idiots.
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Old 01-29-09, 02:57 PM
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Wow. Officer way overreacted, but if you resist arrest, your *** is screwed...
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Old 01-29-09, 03:44 PM
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I get voices but no video.

No, riding on the sidewalk deserves a warning or a ticket. Not stopping and resisting gets you taken down forcefully.
I finally got the video. If I was on the civil suit jury, she be hard pressed to win my vote with that video. If she hadn't resisted, she would have either received a warning or a ticket. Another case of someone that is too good to be stopped and corrected by the police for violating the law. I didn't catch the slap on the head after she was cuffed, but I wouldn't fault the police for using force to get her into cuffs. If she wasn't fighting she would have been cuffed easily. I counted three hits on the head by Drogo, and it looked like the other officer put a knee into her at least twice trying to get her left arm behind her.
It's really foggy, and it looks like she had no lights on her bike, so that's probably why she was riding on the sidewalk.

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Old 01-29-09, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
I get voices but no video.

No, riding on the sidewalk deserves a warning or a ticket. Not stopping and resisting gets you taken down forcefully.
I finally got the video. If I was on the civil suit jury, she be hard pressed to win my vote with that video. If she hadn't resisted, she would have either received a warning or a ticket. Another case of someone that is too good to be stopped and corrected by the police for violating the law. I didn't catch the slap on the head after she was cuffed, but I wouldn't fault the police for using force to get her into cuffs. If she wasn't fighting she would have been cuffed easily. I counted three hits on the head by Drogo, and it looked like the other officer put a knee into her at least twice trying to get her left arm behind her.
It's really foggy, and it looks like she had no lights on her bike, so that's probably why she was riding on the sidewalk.
It' okay to hit her in the head when there are two other officers on top of her?
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Old 01-29-09, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
It' okay to hit her in the head when there are two other officers on top of her?
Yes
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Old 01-29-09, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
It' okay to hit her in the head when there are two other officers on top of her?

If it gets someone to realize they should give up and get cuffed, sure. He didn't haul back and smack the daylights out of her. He popped her three times. I've seen videos of cops using a night stick to try and pry someone's arm out from under them, and couldn't figure out how the arm didn't snap like a matchstick.
I'd expect to receive everything she did, if not more, if I resisted being detained by the police.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
It' okay to hit her in the head when there are two other officers on top of her?
You think they should have hugged her and talked to her sweetly while smiling to get her to comply, don't you.
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Old 01-29-09, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
I'd expect to receive everything she did, if not more, if I resisted being detained by the police.
Curious... how much more do you think they should have given her?

Police can (and do) call anything and everything resisting. It's not clear whether she was resisting or not from the video since we can't see all the details. I do know though that if someone had their knee in my back I'd probably try to do what I could to prevent them from breaking a bone or causing some other harm. I'd rather not just sit there and take it, though I might have to knowing that the guy on top of me is the one with the gun and the badge.
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whats wrong with riding on the sidewalk? there were no pedestrians and she wasnt even going fast. i think it should be fine to ride on the sidewalk as long as there are no pedestrians on it, and if there are move to the side.
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Old 01-29-09, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
Curious... how much more do you think they should have given her?

Police can (and do) call anything and everything resisting. It's not clear whether she was resisting or not from the video since we can't see all the details.
Do you happen to be blind?

This is a serious question, because you know... there was a video in that link.
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Old 01-29-09, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
Curious... how much more do you think they should have given her?

Police can (and do) call anything and everything resisting. It's not clear whether she was resisting or not from the video since we can't see all the details. I do know though that if someone had their knee in my back I'd probably try to do what I could to prevent them from breaking a bone or causing some other harm. I'd rather not just sit there and take it, though I might have to knowing that the guy on top of me is the one with the gun and the badge.

The video doesn't look like it got physical until she resisted. If the police had me down with their knees and feet on me, I'd be sticking my hands behind my back and not struggling. But then, I wouldn't be giving them a reason to do that, and would expect to get restrained in a less than congenial manner if I did.
The other thing we can't tell in the video is if she refused any order he gave her when first approached in person. He tried to restrain her and ended up pushed back to the left. Then she got taken down. Watch "COPS" sometime. You'll see three officers fighting to restrain somebody and they are constantly telling them to stop fighting them and put their arms behind their back. They just keep right on fighting.

You can see the officer on her left side struggling to try and get her left arm behind her. He's the one that it looks like hits her with his knee. As soon as it looks like he's got the arm there, he pulls out his cuffs.
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Old 01-29-09, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
Do you happen to be blind?

This is a serious question, because you know... there was a video in that link.
From that video, how can you distinguish resisting arrest vs. trying to protect yourself?
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
From that video, how can you distinguish resisting arrest vs. trying to protect yourself?
I'll give you a hint, they're the same thing, just different perspectives.

However, when you're not listening to a cop, and being an idiot, a court doesn't care if you're "protecting yourself".
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Clear case of CWB (cycling while black). Would a white girl have been dragged down like that?
The officer was pissed that she didn't respect his 'authoritay'.
Extra pissed when he maced himself.
Who's he going to take it out on? Himself?
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Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
I'll give you a hint, they're the same thing, just different perspectives.

However, when you're not listening to a cop, and being an idiot, a court doesn't care if you're "protecting yourself".
Lay off the COPS. Cops hammer people all the time unprovoked
and they lose in court, too.
Cops have times where they have to unload somebody.
This was his time. If that wasn an old bag lady pushing a cart
across the street she would have gotten it too.....
I didnt see anything in that vid that could be called resisting arrest
using the most liberal terms. Millvilles is Jersey's version of Johnson
City, Tennesee, too. Im wouldnt expect the cop to be a higher thinker.
Angry cop, Green Day, weaker species....not good.
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cops are idiots
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Originally Posted by Metzinger View Post
Clear case of CWB (cycling while black). Would a white girl have been dragged down like that?
The officer was pissed that she didn't respect his 'authoritay'.
Extra pissed when he maced himself.
Who's he going to take it out on? Himself?
quite true
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cops are idiots
well its not like you have to be educated or anything. My gangbanger supermarket bagger, just graduated from the LAPD academy. You cant expect too much nowadays.
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Once again, I'm glad I live in the UK. Over here, violent, bigoted young men join the Royal Marines, and take their chances. In the US, it seems, they can also join the police, and get to beat up unarmed women. Strange place for sure.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
From that video, how can you distinguish resisting arrest vs. trying to protect yourself?
Protecting yourself from a cop is illegal. Anyway, I think the cop wasn't far out of line in this case. The girl was being stupid.
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Old 01-30-09, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Basil Moss View Post
Once again, I'm glad I live in the UK. Over here, violent, bigoted young men join the Royal Marines, and take their chances. In the US, it seems, they can also join the police, and get to beat up unarmed women. Strange place for sure.
In some places in the US they're required to have bachelors degrees. I always thought it was silly but maybe it's an effective way to weed out some of the jerks.
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Did anyone save that video? I get voices, but no pic.
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Originally Posted by crhilton View Post
Protecting yourself from a cop is illegal. Anyway, I think the cop wasn't far out of line in this case. The girl was being stupid.
If that's true, then that's a shame. There are cops who sometimes step over the line into inappropriate behavior. I'd hate to think I'd just have to sit there and take it, and possibly wind up dead or seriously injured.

Regardless of whether it's illegal or not, I think it's perfectly justified to resist if the officer is taking things too far.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post

Regardless of whether it's illegal or not, I think it's perfectly justified to resist if the officer is taking things too far.
But did the officer "take things too far" initially? Or as a reaction to the resist of the cyclist?
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