Drift happens / Hit and run in bike lane / San Diego
02-08-09, 11:52 PM
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Drift happens / Hit and run in bike lane / San Diego
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Driver arrested, accused of hitting bicyclist, fleeing
MIRA MESA: A 19-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of felony hit-and-run yesterday morning after allegedly striking a bicyclist with her car and then returning to the scene a half-hour later, San Diego police said.
The woman was driving a Volvo on Calle Cristobal near Camino Miranda about 9:20 a.m. when she drifted into the bike lane and struck the bicyclist from behind, police said.
The bicyclist, 51, suffered a serious head injury, as well as injuries to his back and sides, and was hospitalized.
The driver didn't stop but returned to the scene 30 minutes later, when she was arrested. Alcohol did not appear to be a factor in the crash, police said. –K.D.
Driver arrested, accused of hitting bicyclist, fleeing
MIRA MESA: A 19-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of felony hit-and-run yesterday morning after allegedly striking a bicyclist with her car and then returning to the scene a half-hour later, San Diego police said.
The woman was driving a Volvo on Calle Cristobal near Camino Miranda about 9:20 a.m. when she drifted into the bike lane and struck the bicyclist from behind, police said.
The bicyclist, 51, suffered a serious head injury, as well as injuries to his back and sides, and was hospitalized.
The driver didn't stop but returned to the scene 30 minutes later, when she was arrested. Alcohol did not appear to be a factor in the crash, police said. –K.D.
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Volvo's are the worst. I hope they check her cell phone records - I'd bet that she was talking or texting at the time of the incident.
02-09-09, 03:04 PM
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Apparently when she returned to the scene of the crime, she was yacking away on the cell phone... right up to the moment police took her away.
02-09-09, 05:47 PM
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I was a secondary witness of two people that returned to a hit and run of a cyclist. I did not even know about the collision until after these 2 scum bags got in the car again and left.
02-10-09, 01:06 AM
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this is reminiscent of the TOSROV incident where the woman "thought she hit a sign," but went home and then came back to check. It doesn't have to be a cellphone, there was an incident in California where a driver drifted onto the shoulder and severely injured a cyclist. The operating theory is that she was grabbing something to eat out of her recently purchased groceries.
02-10-09, 07:48 AM
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Did she turn herself in, or was she just coming back to watch the pain and suffering she caused?
I was a secondary witness of two people that returned to a hit and run of a cyclist. I did not even know about the collision until after these 2 scum bags got in the car again and left.
I was a secondary witness of two people that returned to a hit and run of a cyclist. I did not even know about the collision until after these 2 scum bags got in the car again and left.
I got this from an email that circulated via the local advocacy group.
On the morning of the incident we noticed a
helicopter and many police cars searching the area (we live about 2
miles west of the site). We were walking our dog on SV Blvd when a
police car pulled to the side, we thought he might be wanting to ask
us a question (we didn't yet know what was going on) - but he didn't,
he was waiting, and the driver soon pulled up behind him, seemingly
headed back toward the crash site. I saw the smashed in passenger
side windshield, and realized that she had probably hit a cyclist or
pedestrian. She was on her phone as she pulled up, and was still on
the phone as she got out and and approached the officer, mumbling
something about the reason she didn't stop being that she "was worried
she might get in trouble". At that point we thought maybe the crash
had just occurred, further down the hill in Sorrento Valley,
eastbound, but later we realized that was not consistent with how long
the search had been going on. By the time we were 100 yards further
along there were 5 police vehicles there. When we returned from our
walk, I walked back up that way and the vehicle and 3 police cars were
still there (again, this is 2 miles from the crash site), the driver
had been taken away.
helicopter and many police cars searching the area (we live about 2
miles west of the site). We were walking our dog on SV Blvd when a
police car pulled to the side, we thought he might be wanting to ask
us a question (we didn't yet know what was going on) - but he didn't,
he was waiting, and the driver soon pulled up behind him, seemingly
headed back toward the crash site. I saw the smashed in passenger
side windshield, and realized that she had probably hit a cyclist or
pedestrian. She was on her phone as she pulled up, and was still on
the phone as she got out and and approached the officer, mumbling
something about the reason she didn't stop being that she "was worried
she might get in trouble". At that point we thought maybe the crash
had just occurred, further down the hill in Sorrento Valley,
eastbound, but later we realized that was not consistent with how long
the search had been going on. By the time we were 100 yards further
along there were 5 police vehicles there. When we returned from our
walk, I walked back up that way and the vehicle and 3 police cars were
still there (again, this is 2 miles from the crash site), the driver
had been taken away.
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driver, cellphone, or bikelane?
which was the greatest contributing factor to this incident?
I am confident (to use a catch phrase of John Forester below)
if the road users had been following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles the rider would have been left unharmed in the preferred class lane.
which was the greatest contributing factor to this incident?
I am confident (to use a catch phrase of John Forester below)
if the road users had been following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles the rider would have been left unharmed in the preferred class lane.
02-11-09, 11:55 AM
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Did she turn herself in, or was she just coming back to watch the pain and suffering she caused?
I was a secondary witness of two people that returned to a hit and run of a cyclist. I did not even know about the collision until after these 2 scum bags got in the car again and left.
I was a secondary witness of two people that returned to a hit and run of a cyclist. I did not even know about the collision until after these 2 scum bags got in the car again and left.
Was the car damaged they got into, you could have taken license plate #s of every one leaving the scene? Description of people?
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02-11-09, 12:03 PM
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driver, cellphone, or bikelane?
which was the greatest contributing factor to this incident?
I am confident (to use a catch phrase of John Forester below)
if the road users had been following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles the rider would have been left unharmed in the preferred class lane.
which was the greatest contributing factor to this incident?
I am confident (to use a catch phrase of John Forester below)
if the road users had been following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles the rider would have been left unharmed in the preferred class lane.
Personally I feel that regardless of the stripe, the cyclist would still be riding on the side of the road and would still be subject to motorist drift... especially in light of the cell phone use.
02-11-09, 12:05 PM
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To me this looks like the tunnel vision that is happening to our motorists. Only looking straight ahead.
02-11-09, 12:24 PM
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Road is fast downhill and very steep uphill... I don't know which way the cyclist was going.
You mentioned tunnel vision... tends to happen at higher speeds to all humans... not to mention the issues also associated with distraction by cell phone.
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You are talking about a pretty extreme case of tunnel vision. If the motorist is centered in a 12-foot lane and the cyclist is centered in a 5-foot adjacent bike lane, the lateral displacement between the two is less than 10 feet. When the motorist is 200 feet back, the cyclist easily falls within the central +/-3 degrees (10/200 = 0.05 radians) of his/her vision field.
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Do they breed a false sense of security? I've read so many times in the last couple years where people are hit from behind in bike lanes, but not so much hit from behind while in the normal traffic lane. And some that were hit in the traffic lane confirmed that they were hugging the white line.
With my mirror, I can always tell if a car sees me - when I'm way out in the lane. They adjust way before they get to me. The further right I go, the less I can tell because the adjustments are more subtle and closer to me. Forget it if I'm 6" to the right of the white line. They just whiz by within 3', no adjustments.
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No bike lanes in my area.
Do they breed a false sense of security? I've read so many times in the last couple years where people are hit from behind in bike lanes, but not so much hit from behind while in the normal traffic lane. And some that were hit in the traffic lane confirmed that they were hugging the white line.
With my mirror, I can always tell if a car sees me - when I'm way out in the lane. They adjust way before they get to me. The further right I go, the less I can tell because the adjustments are more subtle and closer to me. Forget it if I'm 6" to the right of the white line. They just whiz by within 3', no adjustments.
Do they breed a false sense of security? I've read so many times in the last couple years where people are hit from behind in bike lanes, but not so much hit from behind while in the normal traffic lane. And some that were hit in the traffic lane confirmed that they were hugging the white line.
With my mirror, I can always tell if a car sees me - when I'm way out in the lane. They adjust way before they get to me. The further right I go, the less I can tell because the adjustments are more subtle and closer to me. Forget it if I'm 6" to the right of the white line. They just whiz by within 3', no adjustments.
02-11-09, 07:46 PM
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driver, cellphone, or bikelane?
which was the greatest contributing factor to this incident?
I am confident (to use a catch phrase of John Forester below)
if the road users had been following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles the rider would have been left unharmed in the preferred class lane.
which was the greatest contributing factor to this incident?
I am confident (to use a catch phrase of John Forester below)
if the road users had been following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles the rider would have been left unharmed in the preferred class lane.
02-11-09, 08:34 PM
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But that's in my area, my lane position (right tire track), on narrow, lightly travelled 2-lane 55 MPH roads with basically 0 shoulder. Adjustments happen pretty far back, and it is proportional to how far into the lane I am.
May not apply everywhere. For instance, we probably don't get too much drift because you'd find a ditch, and I believe that a ditch is unfortunately more of a deterrent to inattentiveness than a smelly biker.
But, FWIW I doubt there are any clues as to motorist's attention when you are in a bike lane.
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You are talking about a pretty extreme case of tunnel vision. If the motorist is centered in a 12-foot lane and the cyclist is centered in a 5-foot adjacent bike lane, the lateral displacement between the two is less than 10 feet. When the motorist is 200 feet back, the cyclist easily falls within the central +/-3 degrees (10/200 = 0.05 radians) of his/her vision field.
02-11-09, 09:18 PM
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The other day I was on a 2 lane road taking the whole right lane and a car passed me in the left lane and I am absolutely certain the driver was completely unaware of my presence he was so busy texting. The guy looked up at the last minute in time to see that he was about to plow through a red light and jammed on his brakes. The only difference I can see between this driver and the one who hit the cyclist was he managed to stay in a straight line but I was glad I wasn't in the left lane slowing for the light and /or about to turn left or that he was in the right lane.
02-12-09, 05:23 AM
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When I wear a mirror my surroundings make up for a small part I don't see due to the mirror blocking this. People not paying close attention to looking forward while driving fast will need to scan the moving scene rather than simply monitor the progress. Hence only a small picture can be digested.
