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I would take the lane and consider such a road bike friendly
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I would not take the lane and do not consider such a road bike friendly
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I would take the lane but do not consider such a road bike friendly
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I would not take the lane, but would still consider such a road bike friendly
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How many here would "take the lane" on a busy 60MPH arterial road?

Old 02-13-09, 08:44 PM
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How many here would "take the lane" on a busy 60MPH arterial road?

Just wondering what you would do on some very typical So Cal arterial roads. Now granted many of the newer roads in So Cal that are high speed do have bike lanes... good or bad.

But there are multilaned arterial roads here that do not have BL... would you take the lane in 60MPH high speed commuting traffic?

Do you consider such a road "bike friendly?"
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What area are you talking about?

Generally I would not take the lane with such high traffic.
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Originally Posted by CbadRider View Post
What area are you talking about?

Generally I would not take the lane with such high traffic.
The best example I can give is in Orange County... Jamboree Road, approaching Newport Beach.

But other examples also exist... such as Miramar Road in San Diego... during rush hour. There is a BL, but it is discontinuous... and west bound, there are scores of driveways.

Kearny Villa Road is a good example... but it has been "fixed" since 2 cyclists were killed on that road... it now has a wide buffer along with the bike lane.

These roads are best left to highly skilled cyclists... not exactly "cyclist friendly."

Something to consider is that one may have to take the lane on any road, if for instance the BL is blocked by any sort of service vehicle.
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If I gotta take the lane, I take the lane. It's not like I'm gonna swerve out in front of someone willy-nilly though...what do I look like, HH?

I didn't vote though...having to take the lane is not always an indicator of whether a road is bike friendly or not.
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depends also if there is a sholder that is wide enough and safer to ride on.

there was a stretch on ikenberry's east coast tour in cape cod that was multi-laned, no sholder and there was no other option but to take the lane. i felt apprehension to say the least on that 10 mile stretch!
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is that a 60mph speed limit or 60mph traffic speed? I ride on busy shoulderless 4-lane arterials with a limit of 45mph, where the fastest cars probably go 55. I don't take the lane (allowing cars to pass in the same lane). I voted for not bike friendly, though its far from bike-hostile and I rarely have close calls.

Asking whether such a road is "bike friendly" is obviously just trying to make a point - "friendly" is strictly a relative term (read: comparison), and an arterial obviously isn't going to be friendlier than a residential road.
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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
Asking whether such a road is "bike friendly" is obviously just trying to make a point - "friendly" is strictly a relative term (read: comparison), and an arterial obviously isn't going to be friendlier than a residential road.
Well that depends. For example Broadway through downtown Akron is a 4-6 lane, one-way 35mph arterial where traffic routinely does 50-70mph in many stretches...especially coming up on the freeway ramps. I find it much more bike friendly than many residential streets that people have decided to use as commute short cuts and mow down anything in their path...critters, pets, kids and cyclists included.
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I've taken the lane on Roosevelt Blvd once, I thought I was taking a shortcut and ended up on one of the few streets that don't go across. Never again though.
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Bike friendly to me is a road with a wide, well paved and debris free shoulder, or better yet, a road without motor vehicles on it.
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Yes, because my workplace is on such a road. 50 mph posted limit, very narrow lanes and no rideable shoulder. It's either take the lane or take the car. I pedal like hell and finish business as quickly as possible.

"Bike friendly" to me means I can take mom on it comfortably at 10 mph, so in this case I'll say no.
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I (usually) would not take the lane. I think some such roads would be bike friendly, some not. One must consider what the shoulder looks like, the volume of traffic, availability of passing lanes, etc.
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If the lanes of this road are too narrow to safely share and there is no bike lane or paved shoulder, then the only option other than taking the lane is to not ride that road.

I can see Cipcom's point when a road like this may be more bike friendly than a residential road. Especially since most arterials have multiple same direction lanes, and if the residential road in question is in a poor state of repair. I didn't vote. There are other factors to consider as to whether a road could be considered bike friendly

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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
Well that depends. For example Broadway through downtown Akron is a 4-6 lane, one-way 35mph arterial where traffic routinely does 50-70mph in many stretches...especially coming up on the freeway ramps. I find it much more bike friendly than many residential streets that people have decided to use as commute short cuts and mow down anything in their path...critters, pets, kids and cyclists included.
Gets into the area of very skilled cyclist... would you take your mom on such a road?
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Gets into the area of very skilled cyclist... would you take your mom on such a road?
I've biked on a 45mph (most drivers go 50-60) 4 lane, no shouldered arterial with my 60+ year old dad. Of any busy road in the area, it takes the LEAST skill to ride as all one has to do is stay planted in the middle/left-of-center in the lane. Other roads where there is a discontinuous shoulder available take more skill as one has to balance not getting stuck in a right turn only lane and dealing with entitled *****holes who think cyclists should do anything possible to stay out of their way. Personally, my experience has always been better when there is just a right lane and nothing to the right of it. People are much more understanding when they don't think you are intentionally slowing them down.
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I've biked on a 45mph (most drivers go 50-60) 4 lane, no shouldered arterial with my 60+ year old dad. Of any busy road in the area, it takes the LEAST skill to ride as all one has to do is stay planted in the middle/left-of-center in the lane. Other roads where there is a discontinuous shoulder available take more skill as one has to balance not getting stuck in a right turn only lane and dealing with entitled *****holes who think cyclists should do anything possible to stay out of their way. Personally, my experience has always been better when there is just a right lane and nothing to the right of it. People are much more understanding when they don't think you are intentionally slowing them down.
Good points.

I have found that trying to maintain that position in the presence of parked cars (50MPH roads) however does bring the wrath of motorists who seem to feel we should be riding in the door zones. Heck, taking the lane on even a heavily traveled road with a 35MPH speed limit, lined with parked cars, can bring the wrath of motorists. (motorists are working to move at 40MPH)

I have also found motorists less than sympathetic when one takes a lane due to a BL that is discontinuous. In that scenario, it is probably better to have no BL. (similar to your "nothing to the right" situation)

But the real question is would you consider such roads "bike friendly?" If not... what would you like to see to make such a road "bike friendly."
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Originally Posted by tomg View Post
depends also if there is a sholder that is wide enough and safer to ride on.

there was a stretch on ikenberry's east coast tour in cape cod that was multi-laned, no sholder and there was no other option but to take the lane. i felt apprehension to say the least on that 10 mile stretch!

having the ridden the length of the Cape innumerable times I can imagine which road you might be talking about here (there are alternatives BTW). If you are referring to Route 6A the speed limit is not 60 mph, though cars do occasionally travel on it at close to that speed, in the summers on the Cape drivers tend to be a fairly large percentage of tourists unfamiliar with the roads on their way to beaches, their hotels or cottages or out for the scenery- they may or may not see bikes as part of the tourist traffic and can range from accommodating to unbelievably hostile to the presence of a bike in "their" lane. The locals know the roads better but travel at high speeds and by mid-August have such contempt for cyclists and tourists in any vehicle they will intimidate at a fairly high percentage.

I would more than likely take the lane on such a road and have in the past but admit to loathing such roads and riding on them. I prefer to be as far from the madding crowd as I can get. I loathe driving a car on those roads so it would take a whole lot of denial to convince myself I enjoyed riding a bike on them.


edit: a side note- I just voted (would take the lane but consider the road unfriendly) and noticed most responders feel this kind of road is unfriendly to bikes and though some would ride it my guess is most would avoid it, if possible. Often advocates for "take the lane" in every situation will cite the low rate of come from behind collisions on a road like this- maybe that's because so few cyclists choose to ride on such roads.

I'm also still looking for plausible explanations for the increasingly high death rate of cyclists in 45-55 year age range over the past couple of decades. Is there a correlation to older cyclists choosing a "take the lane" position on roads like this to their higher death rate? After all a collision with a car on a road like this tends to be catastrophic. Given the kind of "I'm visible and therefore Invincible" attitude of some "take the lane" proponents it wouldn't surprise me if there were a relationship. Anyone have statistics as to the types of roads and circumstances for fatal bike accidents by age?

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But the real question is would you consider such roads "bike friendly?" If not... what would you like to see to make such a road "bike friendly."
I don't want to sound like I am trying to argue based on semantics but the "road" itself cannot be bike (cyclist) friendly. The other drivers who use the road can choose to be cyclist friendly or not regardless of the design of the road. Non-cyclists may see any road on which people travel faster than they can ride a bike as being unfriendly but the non-cyclist opinion of a road is a pretty poor definition of how comfortable it is to ride a bike on a certain road. For all they know, every motorist who uses that road may also be a cyclist and completely understand that on a narrow road, a cyclist's only safe option may be to ride in the center of the lane. Doubtful that that's the case, but I remember when I was new to cycling, I made a lot of assumptions about how motorists would treat me on certain types of roads and never bothered to confirm them in those days. When I finally did, I was always surprised at how tolerant motorists were, especially on multilane narrow outside lane roads, the type I previously avoided.

I've had great rides on "bad" roads and terrible rides on "good" roads. It all comes down to who you happen to encounter while you're out there. Some road types tend to bring out the best/worst in motorists though.
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Gets into the area of very skilled cyclist... would you take your mom on such a road?
Yep...it don't take much skill to hold your line in the rightmost lane...or for Mom to follow my lead. Bout the only move that requires any experience is dealing with the RTOL at some intersections and maybe dealing with the occasional double-parked car. The freeway on-ramps take more balls than skill...so yes, perhaps Mom and other females may be lacking in that area.
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Well, I'm not familiar with this roads but regardless if it has a bike lane, paved shoulder or a wide outer lane, either way is ok. If I had to take the lane, then I would prefer to avoid using that road if possible.

There's one road like you seem to describe where I live, 2 lanes on each side, narrow lanes and a curb to the side so one must take the lane, traffic is fast with medium to heavy density. It is not the end of the world to use it, no big deal overall really. However, the main objection is that doing so greatly reduces my "fun" of riding, and fun is the main reason I prefer to get around using a bicycle. So I think of it as a "bad" or "unfreindly" road.
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Yep...it don't take much skill to hold your line in the rightmost lane...or for Mom to follow my lead. Bout the only move that requires any experience is dealing with the RTOL at some intersections and maybe dealing with the occasional double-parked car. The freeway on-ramps take more balls than skill...so yes, perhaps Mom and other females may be lacking in that area.
Com'on... your mom lacking in "that area..." She raised you!
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i voted to take the lane and bike friendly, the road isn't the problem the drivers are bike unfriendly. i was on one of these roads recently and it was exciting to say the least. In my small city the speed limit is 25MPH but frequently drivers get up to 35-40 MPH. I always take the lane except in tourist season when I filter because the average speed goes down to 5-10MPH stop and go. I feel sorry for those that need these roads to ride and blessed that I live here.
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i voted to take the lane and bike friendly, the road isn't the problem the drivers are bike unfriendly. i was on one of these roads recently and it was exciting to say the least. In my small city the speed limit is 25MPH but frequently drivers get up to 35-40 MPH. I always take the lane except in tourist season when I filter because the average speed goes down to 5-10MPH stop and go. I feel sorry for those that need these roads to ride and blessed that I live here.

I lived in Newport ages ago and riding around the town and Ocean Drive was very manageable but any forays out of Newport and particularly off Aquidneck Island required riding either 114 or 138 neither of which was too "bike friendly". Have there been more improvements to those roads? I remember I used to snake around on Wapping Road and other roads to avoid taking these roads whenever possible but sometimes I'd just grin and bear it. Really tough on a summer night to negotiate these roads.
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