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Old 04-12-09, 06:20 PM
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Penn State requires you to register every year, which is a PITA, and a waste of time. At least you can do it online now. Changing the decal is the worst part, those things are tenacious. The other policies are similar, but you can attach your bike to anything as long as you aren't impeding a handicapped ramp. They seem to recognize there is a shortage of bike parking, they have committed to building covered parking spaces. Parking spaces here are said to cost $20k. Doesn't surprise me, there is no land left on campus, they have to build garages. Parking permits are on the order of $40 a month, and anyone that isn't retirement age or bringing in millions in grants is walking 15 minutes from their car.

I'm not really sure why cars are still allowed on central campus. The problem is that the campus messes up the traffic flow around town so badly that drivers think they save time driving through campus. They have closed down a couple of roads, which I thought was a bad idea at the time, now I think it was a half measure.

Actually, I wish they would collect bikes more often. There is a bike that has been parked out front of my work for months now. I don't see the point. They will round it up in june, I'm sure. They have a roundup after school is out, and then they sell the bikes every spring. Most of the bikes are fairly dinged up, but there are some expensive bikes sold. I'd be really mad if that was my kid.

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Old 04-12-09, 06:24 PM
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My university has no such regulations, but many of the bike racks are attached to NOTHING. They just sit there like road barriers. The local Walmart's racks are also loose. Someone with a pickup truck and a couple of helping hands could just take their work home with them.

The campus also has a "secure" bike locking facility, access for which costs $15 a year, I think. Not only is it open to observation from any passers-by (being out of doors), but it's also set back from the lighted path through that area, so that only people who actually feel like it walk past (not very many). It's also unsurveiled, the magnetically locked door was frequently ajar, from tampering or malfunction, and YOU CAN BUY AN ACCESS CARD FOR FIFTEEN BUCKS!
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
Penn State requires you to register every year, which is a PITA, and a waste of time. At least you can do it online now. Changing the decal is the worst part, those things are tenacious. The other policies are similar, but you can attach your bike to anything as long as you aren't impeding a handicapped ramp. They seem to recognize there is a shortage of bike parking, they have committed to building covered parking spaces. Parking spaces here are said to cost $20k. Doesn't surprise me, there is no land left on campus, they have to build garages. Parking permits are on the order of $40 a month, and anyone that isn't retirement age or bringing in millions in grants is walking 15 minutes from their car.

I'm not really sure why cars are still allowed on central campus. The problem is that the campus messes up the traffic flow around town so badly that drivers think they save time driving through campus. They have closed down a couple of roads, which I thought was a bad idea at the time, now I think it was a half measure.

Actually, I wish they would collect bikes more often. There is a bike that has been parked out front of my work for months now. I don't see the point. They will round it up in june, I'm sure. They have a roundup after school is out, and then they sell the bikes every spring. Most of the bikes are fairly dinged up, but there are some expensive bikes sold. I'd be really mad if that was my kid.
PSU is fairly lax about mandating the bike registration, thankfully. I've got 3 bikes up here, and only one is registered (expired registration, too). The only time they'll really nab you for no registration, is if you're pulled over for riding at night with no lights.

As far as campus traffic goes, though, it is horrible. I can walk from the bus stop on College ave., and beat the Blue Loop to the stop at the SoVA/Borland buildings.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Hell, fine with me - IF they would do the same on the hood of the Bentley belonging to the president of the University.
Well, now that I think about it, it must have been optional, but as for stamping it on the hood, on the bottom of the Bentley's frame, under the car, would be more analogous.

In any event, VIN numbers are tracked far better than bicycle serial numbers, though the campus police could just keep a database of bicycle serial numbers as easily as stamping DL numbers on frames ...

UT also wasn't terribly pushy about registering your bike. If they found an unregistered one, they'd put a note on it. Eventually I guess they'd add another lock to the bike or cut yours off and impound it, but I don't think they ever did that just for not being registered. But they were pretty serious about bikes not locked in bike racks ...
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Old 04-12-09, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zillon View Post
PSU is fairly lax about mandating the bike registration, thankfully. I've got 3 bikes up here, and only one is registered (expired registration, too). The only time they'll really nab you for no registration, is if you're pulled over for riding at night with no lights.
The first week of school, they used to stop people riding on Pollack and register them on the spot. I've got 2 registered bikes and 5? not. I've only heard of one bike nabbed by the cops for a parking violation here: the bike was locked to a handicapped ramp back when that was a hanging offense. Now they only will do that if the bike is an obstruction.

The post above mine just reminded me of the Penn State bike roundup procedure. They put a hang tag on the bike warning it is going to be impounded in 2 weeks. You see a lot of the usual suspects with this tag for the entire two weeks, and then the bike is gone. Don't think the owners really care at that point.
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Old 04-13-09, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Galls View Post
Ah ****, I go there to.

Well chances of this being enforced are slim to none, I still see scooters parked at racks all the time. My only issue is the sticker, why do I want to ruin nice paint job with a damn sticker and why can't I just place it on my u-lock?
ah but they do ticket scooters for improper parking, that is why you rarely see them parked randomly anymore, at least in my experience.

i think they are really sore about all the stupid parking decks the keep building and not filling up.

i just hope they don't restrict on-campus riding, the emphasis on motor vehicle status seems to allow for that. at upenn in phila security would insist that you get off your bike sometimes and walk it

theres a few razorbikes around (communal bikes), bike city recyclery is keepin em up


the funny thing about this is, i swear that there arent more than 50-70 daily riders on the whole damn campus. there are alot of freshman who might ride sometimes before leaving them to die on the racks by the dorms.
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Old 04-13-09, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
Well, now that I think about it, it must have been optional, but as for stamping it on the hood, on the bottom of the Bentley's frame, under the car, would be more analogous.
Except that the frame of a bicycle is it's attractive body shell, unlike a motor vehicle.

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Maybe you should go and propose better tagging as opposed to just rant about it?

Oh but that would be work.
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Old 04-13-09, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
Maybe you should go and propose better tagging as opposed to just rant about it?

Oh but that would be work.
A&S exists for people - who have no intentions of actively advocating cycling - to rant about cycling advocacy.

Excuse me while I talk up some more hot air in another thread.

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Could help reduce theft. How terrible is the ID? If it's just a decal it would be fine with me. When someone steals my bike they'll either have to ride it with my ID; making it clear that it's mine. Or they'll have to put their own on; making it clear that they've committed a crime if I can prove it's my bike.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
A&S exists for people - who have no intentions of actively advocating cycling - to rant about cycling advocacy.

Excuse me while I talk up some more hot air in another thread.

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Old 04-13-09, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by otacon451 View Post
the funny thing about this is, i swear that there arent more than 50-70 daily riders on the whole damn campus. there are alot of freshman who might ride sometimes before leaving them to die on the racks by the dorms.
Well the concept of self propelled motion does not exist in Arkansas, especially when the campus is on a hill. Now the inalienable right to a pick up truck and a cheap parking spot, that is Arkansas.

I just wrote UARK transit denouncing the purposed program, the percentage going to razorbikes and parking as well as the sticker, comparing the former two to the cost of automobiles and how their fees are not used for anything but paying for more parking. But I did support the at cost u lock program and cost of operation fees.
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So quit coming here.
I haven't found a single participant of this forum who does not fit the description I provided above.

I'm here only to add to the irony.

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Originally Posted by Zillon View Post
Overall, it looks pretty reasonable to me.

My only qualm would be with the mandatory bicycle permit sticker. The decals are usually impossible to remove at a later date once affixed to the frame, and they're usually rather ugly. That's just me though, I hate stickers on my bike frames.
On many college campuses theft is a major problem. The locking device rule seems to indicate this is a problem there. Manditory registration is also a way to fight theft.
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On many college campuses theft is a major problem. The locking device rule seems to indicate this is a problem there. Manditory registration is also a way to fight theft.
Your point being, Herr Armchair Theorist?

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Also discrimination towards cyclists. The cost to maintain the parking lots on the campus, far exceed, any cost incurred as a result of a bike.

Their policy is hostile towards cyclists.
How so? Why are parking regulations and a very nominal fee to support the system discrimination? If you were to tell me that there were no regulations or fees associated with cars, I might agree, but I just can't see it.
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Not that it would be a problem in that area, but in other places campuses are visited daily by persons on bicycles not attending yet have legitimate business on the campus. The threat of having your bicycle tampered with, being marked, or immobilized by security should be more readily addressed than the tagging solution described in the policy. Addressed in such a way that visitors are not penalized, charged an excessive amount ($15 is an excessive amount for a visitor, it is unlikely a motor vehicle visitor pays as much while using far more resource) or forced to walk an excessive distance on campus because of the policy.

it's okay but for that, and that it is an idiots manner of addressing a non-issue. Proceeds from the sale of abandoned bicycles would generate as much revenue given that the administrative burden would be dramatically reduced. Ignorant make work by someone with underwear 3 sizes too small.
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Not that it would be a problem in that area, but in other places campuses are visited daily by persons on bicycles not attending yet have legitimate business on the campus. The threat of having your bicycle tampered with, being marked, or immobilized by security should be more readily addressed than the tagging solution described in the policy. Addressed in such a way that visitors are not penalized, charged an excessive amount ($15 is an excessive amount for a visitor, it is unlikely a motor vehicle visitor pays as much while using far more resource) or forced to walk an excessive distance on campus because of the policy.

it's okay but for that, and that it is an idiots manner of addressing a non-issue. Proceeds from the sale of abandoned bicycles would generate as much revenue given that the administrative burden would be dramatically reduced. Ignorant make work by someone with underwear 3 sizes too small.
If I read it right if you get caught without tags all you get is a notice to get them within 2 weeks. Even if you get the notice the very first time you park on campus that means a maximum of $15 for 2 times on campus. That makes it cheaper than visitor parking most places I have been. Far cheaper if you are in fact on campus even once a week.
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I don't see the problem.

Me either. Did I miss something?
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Me either. Did I miss something?
Well if the car drivers to the University are only expected to pay 1/20th the cost of their spaces, even though with a free bus system and limited space available they should be charged a sin tax.

With this proposal, cyclists are expected:
-To pay a much greater portion of the cost for some not so good racks.
-Subsidize a form a transit they will never use.
-Fund the enforcement.

If you would look at the fees we pay, the enforcement for parking is a student fee, not funded by the parking fees. In fact the parking garages where funded by student fees. So why should cyclists be singled out for paying a disproportionate amount of fees, especially when a good portion of the fees will go to a service they will never use.
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Holy Mackeral, I can't believe the amount of whine asses in this thread. If you people are this upset over a simple user fee and policy, wait till you have to pay things like income tax.
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holy mackeral, i can't believe the amount of whine asses in this thread. If you people are this upset over a simple user fee and policy, wait till you have to pay things like income tax.
ftw!
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Originally Posted by dobber View Post
Holy Mackeral, I can't believe the amount of whine asses in this thread. If you people are this upset over a simple user fee and policy, wait till you have to pay things like income tax.
My marginal tax rate at one point in my life was %55, so I am not exactly a poor college student who would have to buy a months worth of ramen to survive this increase. It is just the principle of an institution which tries to front itself as green unfairly taxing one segment of its populous, I would have no problem if the cost of use (expressed as %) was universal across all modes of transit the University provides.
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Holy Mackeral, I can't believe the amount of whine asses in this thread. If you people are this upset over a simple user fee and policy, wait till you have to pay things like income tax.
holy mackeral, i fight the system in ways you are unaware of...
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My marginal tax rate at one point in my life was %55
In WHAT country?
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