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Doing something about it
Complaint filed this morning (some details have been changed so I can continue to pretend I have some anonymity):
Re: Driver of bus #5634, apx. 7:30 a.m., 6/3/04, on First Street between Third and Second. When I was on a bicycle in the second to left lane of First Street (moving over to the far left lane, where I needed to be in half a block to make a left turn), one of your buses pulled through a stop sign out from the alley directly in Second of me. I had to quickly move over 2 lanes to avoid hitting the bus or having the bus hitting me. The driver eventually stopped in the middle of the intersection of the alley and First Street. I was wearing a bright red shirt. My bike was red with bright yellow saddle bags. There was no excuse not to see me. I do not know what bus line it was, but "5635" was the number of the bus. The driver was an older white man with a gray beard. Normally, your drivers are some of the courteous on the road toward cyclists. I wish all drivers were as good as yours. But this driver was the exception. I think that when drivers of identifiable vehicles do something dangerous, we should file complaints. |
Good for you.
Complaining doesn't help at all, taking action does. Thanks |
Originally Posted by Daily Commute
I think that when drivers of identifiable vehicles do something dangerous, we should file complaints.
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Absolutely! I've done that when driving. There was one company's vehicle that I used to see every morning at the same time on my morning commute. He would cut in and out of traffice, at times causing others to slam on their brakes. His company vehicle was extremely large, too big for racetrack-type driving. I called the company and I think they took care of the situation, 'cause I didn't see the driver driving like that again.
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You may not get anywhere with your complaint. I used to be a fleet manager, and complaints from someone other then law enforcment or a customer are largly ignored.
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I filed a similar complaint to our bus service here in Portland. I also noted in my complaint, as you did, that the majority of their drivers that I encounter are courteous and vigilant in their awareness. The shift supervisor responded, and he indicated that the drivers would be reminded to watch for pedestrians and cyclists.
Since I wasn't hurt when the bus sideswiped me, that's all I could really hope for - that the drivers are reminded so that we (cyclists) are on their mind while they're driving. Now, if that particular driver has a pattern history of negligent driving, then I imagine that the company would probably take more drastic action for fear of litigation should something more serious happen. |
Originally Posted by DieselDan
You may not get anywhere with your complaint. I used to be a fleet manager, and complaints from someone other then law enforcment or a customer are largly ignored.
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Best of luck with your complaint! I applaud anyone who speaks up when they know they followed the rules of the road and still had a near-miss or an accident. Speaking from experience, the metro lines in Seattle are notorious for ignoring customer complaints. Hopefully Colombus metro has a greater sense of pride and customer service than Seattle metro does. And most importantly I'm glad you didn't get hit!
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Originally Posted by ChezJfrey
Now, if that particular driver has a pattern history of negligent driving, then I imagine that the company would probably take more drastic action for fear of litigation should something more serious happen.
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I agree 100%. I report MARTA operators who drive dangerously or violate the law. Every time I've done so, MARTA has called me back and reported to me whatever actions they've taken towards the drivers in question.
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In such situations it might also be a good idea to keep the registration number of the vehicle in a safe place just in case the company decides not to do anything about it (not beyond the realms of possibility). Should this happen, your next stop should be the police.
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I had a driver do something stoopid once and I got a complaint from someone who saw it. When the driver returned, I asked him about it and he looked at me with this dumb expression on his face and said "How did they know who to call?" I looked at him in total disbelief and said "You're driving a truck with your employers name and phone number on it, not on one side, but three. How do you think they knew who to call?" He didn't last much after that.
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Originally Posted by LittleBigMan
I agree 100%. I report MARTA operators who drive dangerously or violate the law. Every time I've done so, MARTA has called me back and reported to me whatever actions they've taken towards the drivers in question.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
You may not get anywhere with your complaint. I used to be a fleet manager, and complaints from someone other then law enforcment or a customer are largly ignored.
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That's so obvious, I'm dumbstruck! Never crossed my mind that an insurance company would be more than a bit concerned about such behavior and that the threat of raising the company's rates might get them to clean up their act. . . Good suggestion HalfHearted, thanks.
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Originally Posted by ChezJfrey
That's so obvious, I'm dumbstruck! Never crossed my mind that an insurance company would be more than a bit concerned about such behavior and that the threat of raising the company's rates might get them to clean up their act. . . Good suggestion HalfHearted, thanks.
This would also solve the problem that is rampant down here where folks go buy insurance just long enough to get their registration or driver's license renewed and then drop the insurance. If the state actually maintained the information of who your insurance carrier is, and the carriers were required to notify the state when a policy lapses, you could just about eliminated uninsured drivers very quickly. Right now all they do is look at your "proof of insurance card" and say, "duh, okay." Even the POI card is so easy to fake it's ridiculous. I recently switched to an online insurance company and my "insurance card" when I went to renew my registration was a printout of the on-screen confirmation. I could fake that in about 20 seconds using MS Word... |
Halfhearted, you've stumbled on something great. Now we just need to send this idea to the bike league or some orginization (insurance company maybe?) that could get it to the right people. I would think the insurance companies would love this idea since they would be getting more money. Bravo.
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Incidentally, Murray's coaches are going to be getting a report about one of their drivers - 10am on O'Reilly's road, about 5km from Green Mountains. Why they even allow buses of that size on such a narrow moutain road is beyond me, the fact that they allow such dipwads to drive them simply defies logic.
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Here is the response I got from the complaint. Given that this was one incident, it seems fair to me.
Thank you for bringing to our attention, your recent concerns about the operator that you have observed driving unsafely. Our goal is to provide each passenger a safe trip. We strive to operate our vehicles in a manner that will avoid accidents with other vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians. Our staff investigated your concerns. Due to the outcome of our investigation, this operator has been counseled. Additionally, we are placing undercover officers on this bus to monitor the performance of this operator. We will be paying particular attention to whether the operator is operating his vehicle safely and employing the customer service skills, he has been trained to use. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this incident has caused you. We are working diligently to provide "world class" transit service. We are committed to doing everything within our power to provide Central Ohio residents and visitors a safe, reliable, and courteous transit experience. I hope your recent experience will not deter you from choosing us in the future to meet your transportation needs. Sincerely, [name omitted] Customer Care Specialist |
Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Here is the response I got from the complaint. Given that this was one incident, it seems fair to me.
Thank you for bringing to our attention, your recent concerns about the operator that you have observed driving unsafely. Our goal is to provide each passenger a safe trip. We strive to operate our vehicles in a manner that will avoid accidents with other vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians. Our staff investigated your concerns. Due to the outcome of our investigation, this operator has been counseled. Additionally, we are placing undercover officers on this bus to monitor the performance of this operator. We will be paying particular attention to whether the operator is operating his vehicle safely and employing the customer service skills, he has been trained to use. In New York City, the bus drivers are under pressure to cover a certain distance with a period of time. As a result, they drive like crazies all over town. In fact, a passenger can complain if the driver is too slow and get him moved to another line! If you ever get on a bus, you'll quickly discover why these men and women have so much road rage. |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
It's amazing how many people have had bad experiences with the bus. It not just one place but ALL over the world!
In New York City, the bus drivers are under pressure to cover a certain distance with a period of time. As a result, they drive like crazies all over town. In fact, a passenger can complain if the driver is too slow and get him moved to another line! If you ever get on a bus, you'll quickly discover why these men and women have so much road rage. |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
If you ever get on a bus, you'll quickly discover why these men and women have so much road rage.
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Here is the response I got from the complaint. Given that this was one incident, it seems fair to me.
<snip>Additionally, we are placing undercover officers on this bus to monitor the performance of this operator. <snip> Okay, time's up. Did you spot it? Yes, there it is. The "undercover" is, by this letter, blown. Since it was written by an official of the bus company, the letter is a public record. The driver, if he's smart and covering his @ss, is requesting and receiving all public records relevant to the investigation of him (you can bet his union rep(s) and/or attorney(s) advised this). 'Course, just knowing there may be a "narc" on board will keep him on his toes for a while. It'd be useful for the bus co. to put the undercovers on board, say, two months from now, when the driver's guard might be down. |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
If you ever get on a bus, you'll quickly discover why these men and women have so much road rage.
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Originally Posted by madpogue
Pop quiz: what's wrong with this picture?
Okay, time's up. Did you spot it? Yes, there it is. The "undercover" is, by this letter, blown. Since it was written by an official of the bus company, the letter is a public record. The driver, if he's smart and covering his @ss, is requesting and receiving all public records relevant to the investigation of him (you can bet his union rep(s) and/or attorney(s) advised this). 'Course, just knowing there may be a "narc" on board will keep him on his toes for a while. It'd be useful for the bus co. to put the undercovers on board, say, two months from now, when the driver's guard might be down. |
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