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Old 07-26-09, 08:03 AM
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Farm to Market road ban petition

I really don't think anything will come of this, but it's a great place to see lots of "bicyclists aren't people like drivers are" arguments.

https://www.cfscofiowa.com/

Including:
* Cyclists aren't tax payers.
* Cyclists are all recreational and aren't going anywhere in particular.
* Recreation is not a valid use of roads (that's built into the last one).
* Bicyclists die, and the auto driver could be blamed. Can you imagine being blamed for the death you caused?
* Bicyclists don't obey traffic laws.
* My favorite: It's common sense.

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Old 07-26-09, 08:29 AM
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That is a sucky site. You don't get a chance to post a comment unless you sign the petition.

Unfairly one-sided argument.
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Old 07-26-09, 10:53 AM
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93 signatures with a minuscule goal of 1,000. One could easily get more signatures on a proposal to torture orphan kittens.
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Old 07-26-09, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
93 signatures with a minuscule goal of 1,000. One could easily get more signatures on a proposal to torture orphan kittens.
I doubt that. There's lots of bicycle haters. They must not have advertised it very well yet.
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Old 07-26-09, 11:56 AM
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We better nip this bullchit in the bud, before we find ourselves 2nd class citizens.
WTF? Colorado looking to ban cyclists from certain roads, now these yahoos?

I'm carfree - and this scares the hell out of me.
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Old 07-26-09, 11:59 AM
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Disgusting.....
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Old 07-26-09, 12:34 PM
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It bothers me that these non-cyclists act so high and mighty as if the cyclists can't protect themselves. Since when do non-cyclists have a moral right to protect cyclists? Protection doesn't come from oppression.
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Old 07-26-09, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by crhilton View Post
I really don't think anything will come of this, but it's a great place to see lots of "bicyclists aren't people like drivers are" arguments.

https://www.cfscofiowa.com/

Including:
* Cyclists aren't tax payers.
* Cyclists are all recreational and aren't going anywhere in particular.
* Recreation is not a valid use of roads (that's built into the last one).
* Bicyclists die, and the auto driver could be blamed. Can you imagine being blamed for the death you caused?
* Bicyclists don't obey traffic laws.
* My favorite: It's common sense.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!? Don't the "good" people/motorists of Iowa realize that IF it wasn't for the League of American Bicyclists that their roads wouldn't be paved???

Also IF they want to ban bicycles because they are "slow moving" vehicles then that ban needs to be expanded to include ALL slow moving farm equipment from ALL roads. I bet that they would scream bloody murder at that proposal.
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Old 07-26-09, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by crhilton View Post
* Bicyclists don't obey traffic laws.
True in my community. Pretty close to zero compliance with any traffic laws in New Orleans. 30 years of cycling/driving/walking/running/skating in NOLA and I have never seen a cyclist stop for a red light or a stop sign unless there was no other choice. A huge percentage of bike riders here go contraflow, ride on sidewalks, and ride without lights at night.
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Old 07-26-09, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by crhilton View Post
I really don't think anything will come of this, but it's a great place to see lots of "bicyclists aren't people like drivers are" arguments.

https://www.cfscofiowa.com/

Including:
* Cyclists aren't tax payers.
* Cyclists are all recreational and aren't going anywhere in particular.
* Recreation is not a valid use of roads (that's built into the last one).
* Bicyclists die, and the auto driver could be blamed. Can you imagine being blamed for the death you caused?
* Bicyclists don't obey traffic laws.
* My favorite: It's common sense.
Here is an interesting study I ran across recently...

https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/cgi/...stract/9/3/205
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Old 07-26-09, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
True in my community. Pretty close to zero compliance with any traffic laws in New Orleans. 30 years of cycling/driving/walking/running/skating in NOLA and I have never seen a cyclist stop for a red light or a stop sign unless there was no other choice. A huge percentage of bike riders here go contraflow, ride on sidewalks, and ride without lights at night.
Glad to know you do everything you can to correct that situation.
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Old 07-26-09, 07:53 PM
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Brief write up with comments from the group founder
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Old 07-26-09, 07:55 PM
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The spokesmans name and town he lives in according to this story; https://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go....8D1FCBD1804553, is Dan Jones of Van Meter, Iowa. I did a search for his address on this site; https://dexknows.whitepages.com/ and found it. As Van Meter is a very small town just west of Des Moines, Iowa it is a good bet it is the address for the spokesperson for this coalition.
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Old 07-26-09, 08:04 PM
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I would not worry too much about a pretend group that cannot even spell it's own name correctly.

Sponsored by: Citizens for Safety Colition of Iowa
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Old 07-26-09, 08:14 PM
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Just because I like to do this type of thing:

* Cyclists aren't tax payers.

I pay property taxes, which pay for the roads. Most of the people around here who would be mad at a cyclist do not pay taxes. :/

* Cyclists are all recreational and aren't going anywhere in particular.

I commute to and from work on my work week, and to various business on my off week.

* Recreation is not a valid use of roads (that's built into the last one).

My wife and I will sometimes pick a destination to just drive to and do nothing in particular, for the purpose of recreation.

* Bicyclists die, and the auto driver could be blamed. Can you imagine being blamed for the death you caused?

People in cars die too. And if you cause a death, I cannot see many ways to get out of being held responsible in some way. :/

* Bicyclists don't obey traffic laws.

I sure as hell do. I can't tell you the amount people I see run stop signs when I'm stopped. :/

* My favorite: It's common sense.

It's not common sense. There, I'll just use the same argument.
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Old 07-26-09, 08:14 PM
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Iowa cyclist should start a petition to ban farm equipment and other motorist from all roads in Iowa, as they are big, slow, disregard the laws and cause accidents.

Then get more signatures on it than this foolish petition.
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Old 07-26-09, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
Don't the "good" people/motorists of Iowa realize that IF it wasn't for the League of American Bicyclists that their roads wouldn't be paved???
Digital_Cowboy, I'm on your side and I am trying to give you every benefit of the doubt...

Are you contending that if there had never been a bicycle movement, no motorist in 150 years would have come up with the idea of paved roads?

Perhaps a better line of argument would be that bicycles pre-date the automobile.
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Old 07-26-09, 08:32 PM
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Here is my take on this;
https://bicycleadvocacyandsafety.blogspot.com/
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Old 07-26-09, 08:59 PM
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They removed comments number 89 and 90.
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i like #52, about how if you hit a cyclist you're at fault. no s*it. if you hit a car, you're at fault.

how did taxes become the main issue here? you're mad because your vehicle costs a lot more than mine to operate, end of story. most of us would still commute by bike if there were a licensing fee. if that's what you wanted, though, you would ask for it. But you don't want bikes to be registered, you just don't want them on the roads. It's really hard to rationally argue an emotional (and logically invalid) point, isn't it? So, you grasp at every straw within reach. I'll gladly pay a tonnage and mileage-proportionate fee to use my bike on roadways. it will still make you angry, given it would be a small fraction of what you pay.

while we're at it, roads are available for free use by passengers of vehicles. They should pay for their use of the road, too!

i second the idea of starting a petition that motions for farm equipment to be banned from these same roadways, as they are unable to to maintain the speed of traffic, and you can't pass them. also, dang tootin', thems things are downright spensive. some a them john deeres tractors cost up to 80, 90, 100 thousand dollars. what if i hit one a them? i'd surely be 'left holding the bag' (whatever that means.)

"the safety of many often overrides the freedoms of a few." well, it's best for us if no one drives at all, then. i mean, cars spew toxic gases into the air, and that affects my safety every day of my life, along with that of billions of others.

I've lived in farm country. I understand the arguments. Unfortunately, I've known many people who use these strands of broken logic. some people have zero perspective.

edit: actually #76 opposes use by farm equipment, a comment which the group still shows on its site (they removed 89 and 90 for some reason...). so these people are just road-hogging hillbillies? great.

i also like the prevailing notion that the posted speed limit requires you to drive that speed. if you know there are likely to be bikes around, you should be going slower on blind curves and hills (actually, shouldn't you always assume something might be over that ridge? what about slow-moving farm equipment?). You can, in fact, go slower than the posted limit. It is an UPPER BOUND; your car is capable of going more slowly.

also, to # 71, i don't know how many states require driver's education to get a license (does Iowa? isn't helping if they do.). mostly, you take the tests and pay the fee, and you're free to kill. and of course you're the one responsible if you hit a bike! It's like pointing a gun at someone and having it go off, then claiming it's an accident and you shouldn't be held responsible. Unreasonable people like this scare the most of any group.

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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
Iowa cyclist should start a petition to ban farm equipment and other motorist from all roads in Iowa, as they are big, slow, disregard the laws and cause accidents.

Then get more signatures on it than this foolish petition.
Someone did! go HERE to view the petition.

This one however, is open to "citizens of the world" rather than just Iowans.
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
I would not worry too much about a pretend group that cannot even spell it's own name correctly.

Actually this is as real as it gets. It was on the news last night. Not sure if you're being sarcastic but I think the spelling is a typo.
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Are you contending that if there had never been a bicycle movement, no motorist in 150 years would have come up with the idea of paved roads?

Perhaps a better line of argument would be that bicycles pre-date the automobile.
Even more fundamental is freedom of mobility.
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Public space is public space. In Ontario, tractors and other forms of farm and construction machinery are not licenced and you don't even need a driver's permit to operate one on public roads. If the petition's sponsor whine about cyclists I think they should be forced to take specialized courses (at great expense to themselves) for a dedicated farm equipment licence, be forced to submit their vehicles to annual inspection and be registered like heavy trucks. I personally know of farm machinery operators who run around with barely operable brakes and these characters have the nerve to attempt to take mobility rights from others.
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If they want to play that way .....

add an amendment that law only applies to roads with separate bike paths (minimum 9' wide) or bike lanes down both sides, and send the bill for the new construction to the signers of the petition.
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