If bikes were allowed to use freeways, would that give cycling culture a boost?
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If bikes were allowed to use freeways, would that give cycling culture a boost?
There are some urban areas where the freeway is the only direct route to get through certain barriers such as railroad yards, culdesaacy suburban developments, over other freeways, and over railyard areas.
Freeways are also the most well known routes and people site them constantly when giving directions to places. They are usually the simplest way to get from one big city to another.
They are also the fastest route to get through any area and sometimes can be safer than congested arterial streets with no bike lanes.
If pedestrians and cyclists were all of a sudden allowed to use the America's freeway system in every state and city, what affect would that have on bike culture? Would pedestrians and cyclists not be able to handle it and get killed left and right when trying to use these facilities? Would they even choose to use these facilities? Would there be numerous pileups?
It seems interesting that America believes so much in freedom, and this was one of our founding principles back when the nation was first created, but now we've made it so hard to get places that it essentially requires us to use a car, drivers licenses, and license plates to do so.
Cars are basically treated as higher respected transportation over bicycles when they are given these special free-flowing facilities to get anywhere in the U.S. whereas bicycles are not given this.
I personally believe that allowing pedestrians and bikes to legally use all freeways would create a huge boost for cycling culture and it would really help kill car culture. I know more people would die as a result of it from accidents, but think of how much healthier our nation would be if biking was seen as fully supported by the state and cyclists were allowed to use every road? It would also encourage the states to build safer freeways and lower the speed limits on freeways if they knew that pedestrians and cyclists were allowed to use them.
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Freeways are also the most well known routes and people site them constantly when giving directions to places. They are usually the simplest way to get from one big city to another.
They are also the fastest route to get through any area and sometimes can be safer than congested arterial streets with no bike lanes.
If pedestrians and cyclists were all of a sudden allowed to use the America's freeway system in every state and city, what affect would that have on bike culture? Would pedestrians and cyclists not be able to handle it and get killed left and right when trying to use these facilities? Would they even choose to use these facilities? Would there be numerous pileups?
It seems interesting that America believes so much in freedom, and this was one of our founding principles back when the nation was first created, but now we've made it so hard to get places that it essentially requires us to use a car, drivers licenses, and license plates to do so.
Cars are basically treated as higher respected transportation over bicycles when they are given these special free-flowing facilities to get anywhere in the U.S. whereas bicycles are not given this.
I personally believe that allowing pedestrians and bikes to legally use all freeways would create a huge boost for cycling culture and it would really help kill car culture. I know more people would die as a result of it from accidents, but think of how much healthier our nation would be if biking was seen as fully supported by the state and cyclists were allowed to use every road? It would also encourage the states to build safer freeways and lower the speed limits on freeways if they knew that pedestrians and cyclists were allowed to use them.
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Bikes are allowed on many freeways around here...
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Why do you assume that freeways would be deadly to cyclist. several western states have sections of freeways open to cyclist without the huge imagined death rates .
Hawaii only has three short freeways (all on Oahu) opening 2 well designed freeways to cyclist would only improve cycling safety in Hawaii. The original freeway was poorly designed, even for motor traffic and would detract from cyclist safety.
Hawaii only has three short freeways (all on Oahu) opening 2 well designed freeways to cyclist would only improve cycling safety in Hawaii. The original freeway was poorly designed, even for motor traffic and would detract from cyclist safety.
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I don't think so, but not because of safety.
If you live outside a major metropolitan area, traffic is going to be pretty quick, 60-80 miles an hour depending on the location of the country. That would turn 10 minutes of driving into 50 minutes of biking. Most people wouldn't turn to biking as a legitimate form of transportation under those circumstances.
If you live inside a major metropolitan area, chances are that bike infrastructure exists, and legalizing the freeway use would be moot. (Excluding, of course, Atlanta which seems to have no infrastructure =P) For instance I could bike the freeway here to church... but the bike trail runs parallel to it.
I don't have experience riding on freeways so I can't comment on their safety. I'm sure they vary widely in that regard, though.
If you live outside a major metropolitan area, traffic is going to be pretty quick, 60-80 miles an hour depending on the location of the country. That would turn 10 minutes of driving into 50 minutes of biking. Most people wouldn't turn to biking as a legitimate form of transportation under those circumstances.
If you live inside a major metropolitan area, chances are that bike infrastructure exists, and legalizing the freeway use would be moot. (Excluding, of course, Atlanta which seems to have no infrastructure =P) For instance I could bike the freeway here to church... but the bike trail runs parallel to it.
I don't have experience riding on freeways so I can't comment on their safety. I'm sure they vary widely in that regard, though.
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I wouldn't mind riding on rural freeways, but I wouldn't do an urban one. Merges are just too frequent and congested on urban freeways for my comfort.
Curious--what do you do if there's a stopped car blocking the breakdown lane on a freeway?
Curious--what do you do if there's a stopped car blocking the breakdown lane on a freeway?
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Urban Freeways will never work as the on/off ramps would require you to go up and back down. Of course stopping for the light your going to get. Merging through the ramps on a rural interstate is hard enough with traffic going 75 mph. Very good lesson how fast one approaches you though.
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If you live outside a major metropolitan area, traffic is going to be pretty quick, 60-80 miles an hour depending on the location of the country. That would turn 10 minutes of driving into 50 minutes of biking. Most people wouldn't turn to biking as a legitimate form of transportation under those circumstances.
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I was thinking rural America or even some really for outlying suburbs.
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I routinely (legally) use the shoulder of I-5 between Gilman and Roselle, because that is the only direct route from Sorrento Valley to UCSD. I enter on one ramp and exit on the next ramp, without having to deal with any admittedly very dangerous weaves, merges, or diverges on the freeway itself. The shoulder is 8 feet wide, marked by a fog line, and well-maintained.
I have long argued that we should open a parallel stretch of I-805, from Mira Mesa Bl. to La Jolla Village Dr., because that is the only direct route between Sorrento Mesa and University Towne Center. I would propose restricting bicycles to enter on the last available southbound ramp and to exit at the first available opportunity -- likewise for northbound cyclists. Again, this would eliminate the one big safety issue, having to deal with merges, diverges, and weaves.
Bicyclists also have the right to use the I-5 shoulder enroute between San Diego and Orange Counties, because the only alternate route, an arguably far more pleasant ride through Camp Pendleton, is not always open for us.
My first choice is a physically separate bicycle freeway parallel to the restricted access motorway, such as we have parallel to SR-56 in Carmel Valley (the one in the northern portion of the City of San Diego, not the one on the south side of the Monterey Peninsula), but these are expensive to build, and the right-of-way simply is not always there. My second choice is to open all of the shoulders / breakdown lanes, even with the requirement that we exit and re-enter at each offramp.
To me, the greatest single access issue is the typical freeway bridge over a bay or river, such as the Coronado bridge or the various trans-bay bridges in the greater San Francisco area. There are no direct alternate routes for these.
I have long argued that we should open a parallel stretch of I-805, from Mira Mesa Bl. to La Jolla Village Dr., because that is the only direct route between Sorrento Mesa and University Towne Center. I would propose restricting bicycles to enter on the last available southbound ramp and to exit at the first available opportunity -- likewise for northbound cyclists. Again, this would eliminate the one big safety issue, having to deal with merges, diverges, and weaves.
Bicyclists also have the right to use the I-5 shoulder enroute between San Diego and Orange Counties, because the only alternate route, an arguably far more pleasant ride through Camp Pendleton, is not always open for us.
My first choice is a physically separate bicycle freeway parallel to the restricted access motorway, such as we have parallel to SR-56 in Carmel Valley (the one in the northern portion of the City of San Diego, not the one on the south side of the Monterey Peninsula), but these are expensive to build, and the right-of-way simply is not always there. My second choice is to open all of the shoulders / breakdown lanes, even with the requirement that we exit and re-enter at each offramp.
To me, the greatest single access issue is the typical freeway bridge over a bay or river, such as the Coronado bridge or the various trans-bay bridges in the greater San Francisco area. There are no direct alternate routes for these.
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I don't know if I'm ever going to want to spend much time on a freeway. I think I'll just live in places with good cycling infrastructure.
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You can go on a pretty long stretch of freeway in the Camp Pendleton area north of San Diego, if you don't want to go through the base. I don't think it's any less safe where I bike on La Costa Avenue, where the speed limit is 50, but just about everyone is going 65, and there is barely a 3 foot wide bike lane.
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No desire to ride them around here. Shoulder is strewn with debris and many have rumble strips cut all the way across the shoulder.
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It seems interesting that America believes so much in freedom
1) While technically public, most people your behavior on a freeway can be limited by the operator, usually the government. Presence on a freeway is considered some combination of a right and a privilege.
2) If absolute freedom is what you really want then the highways should be privately owned and operated without those silly government rules.
3) Any nation that tolerates no fly lists does not believe in "freedom".
1) While technically public, most people your behavior on a freeway can be limited by the operator, usually the government. Presence on a freeway is considered some combination of a right and a privilege.
2) If absolute freedom is what you really want then the highways should be privately owned and operated without those silly government rules.
3) Any nation that tolerates no fly lists does not believe in "freedom".
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If you want to ride on the freeways in your area then get a group of people and start doing it.
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$10/gal gas will be a boost for cycling culture.
The freeways will have more room then.
When fuel prices drop, cycling culture takes a hit.
The freeways will have more room then.
When fuel prices drop, cycling culture takes a hit.
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Shoulder rumble strips are a huge problem on many non-freeway roads, as well.
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We're nearly neighbors, Chaco. PM me if you want to ride sometime -- I have been cycling with the YMCA's MasterFit group on Wednesday and Saturday mornings and with various MeetUp groups at other times.
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I routinely (legally) use the shoulder of I-5 between Gilman and Roselle, because that is the only direct route from Sorrento Valley to UCSD. I enter on one ramp and exit on the next ramp, without having to deal with any admittedly very dangerous weaves, merges, or diverges on the freeway itself. The shoulder is 8 feet wide, marked by a fog line, and well-maintained.
I have long argued that we should open a parallel stretch of I-805, from Mira Mesa Bl. to La Jolla Village Dr., because that is the only direct route between Sorrento Mesa and University Towne Center. I would propose restricting bicycles to enter on the last available southbound ramp and to exit at the first available opportunity -- likewise for northbound cyclists. Again, this would eliminate the one big safety issue, having to deal with merges, diverges, and weaves.
Bicyclists also have the right to use the I-5 shoulder enroute between San Diego and Orange Counties, because the only alternate route, an arguably far more pleasant ride through Camp Pendleton, is not always open for us.
My first choice is a physically separate bicycle freeway parallel to the restricted access motorway, such as we have parallel to SR-56 in Carmel Valley (the one in the northern portion of the City of San Diego, not the one on the south side of the Monterey Peninsula), but these are expensive to build, and the right-of-way simply is not always there. My second choice is to open all of the shoulders / breakdown lanes, even with the requirement that we exit and re-enter at each offramp.
To me, the greatest single access issue is the typical freeway bridge over a bay or river, such as the Coronado bridge or the various trans-bay bridges in the greater San Francisco area. There are no direct alternate routes for these.
I have long argued that we should open a parallel stretch of I-805, from Mira Mesa Bl. to La Jolla Village Dr., because that is the only direct route between Sorrento Mesa and University Towne Center. I would propose restricting bicycles to enter on the last available southbound ramp and to exit at the first available opportunity -- likewise for northbound cyclists. Again, this would eliminate the one big safety issue, having to deal with merges, diverges, and weaves.
Bicyclists also have the right to use the I-5 shoulder enroute between San Diego and Orange Counties, because the only alternate route, an arguably far more pleasant ride through Camp Pendleton, is not always open for us.
My first choice is a physically separate bicycle freeway parallel to the restricted access motorway, such as we have parallel to SR-56 in Carmel Valley (the one in the northern portion of the City of San Diego, not the one on the south side of the Monterey Peninsula), but these are expensive to build, and the right-of-way simply is not always there. My second choice is to open all of the shoulders / breakdown lanes, even with the requirement that we exit and re-enter at each offramp.
To me, the greatest single access issue is the typical freeway bridge over a bay or river, such as the Coronado bridge or the various trans-bay bridges in the greater San Francisco area. There are no direct alternate routes for these.
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I would never. Ever. EVER ride my bike on I-95 here in good old central NJ, where people swerve in and out of merges with a cell phone in one hand and a coffee in another. The general flow of traffic is around 85 mph, though the posted speed limit is 60 mph
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I80 outside Rocksprings, WY Eastbound
Perfect road. (earplugs)
I15 northbound Cedar City Utah
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Perfect road. (earplugs)
I15 northbound Cedar City Utah
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In my part of Cali, all roads, including freeways, are open to bicycle traffic. Speeding traffic is not a huge concerning factor since our local highway patrol is thick as a den of thieves, thanks to extra monies allotted to patrol our area.
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Sorry when I think of Freeway, I think of...
I'm barely caught dead driving on that god forsaken road, much less cycling, rofl
cuz I'd totally ride on what you posted, wheel.
I'm barely caught dead driving on that god forsaken road, much less cycling, rofl
cuz I'd totally ride on what you posted, wheel.