jeff williams

Are you commenting about my posting or Kathleens?

I'm reading 'cause it's more to the caution\ foolish side of the arguement, and I got pretty sick of some of the other 'mines bigger than yours', macho gun threads.

One of the thing you learn in martial arts, and most fight training is that anger clouds your judgement.
Fighting is tactical, calculated, dangerous.

Protecting yourself need not be agressive. Agression may be what your opponent is trying to envoke in you to be taken advantage of.

Basically, you want to pop Joe?, get him to attack you in front of friendly witnesses, then go for it.

Have a nicer day, for yourself- and to others.

>jef.

Paul L.

I would think the risk of accidentally shooting yourself or someone(unintentionally) else would be much higher than the risk of getting attacked on a bike. Unless of course you rode with the firearm unloaded but then what is the point? (I guess you could get a good holster but you sould still need to get the gun out of the holster safely. My Uncle used to work in a crime lab and I was amazed at all the photos he had of accidental shootings where guns had gone off down the sides of peoples legs and other "accidents").

Being 6'1" and 190 pds I haven't had to seriously consider this luckily.

catatonic

Nope, I don't want to carry a gun.

First off, you got the problem of using it when appropriate, which is in very few situations. Actually, even in most assaults, you could be declared to be the only one using deadly force. Same goes for knives.

Second is if you do pull it, you just escalated a situation greatly...if he does not run, you have to shoot, which could land you in jail as well.

third, is what happens if you fumble and the attacker gets hold of the gun.

Really, it's just not worth it. U-bolt hanging off your handlebars....easy to remove and swing at morons, and if you brandish it as a weqapon, the escalation factor is somewhat low.

Ryan

Sounds like something a rat would do..

LittleBigMan

I don't carry a gun on my bike because I have no logical need for one.

Jeez, I sure hope you don't shoot anyone out of anger. That would be the end of your life as you know it.

spunko

Do not own one, also live in MD and in the city. I thought the law was more on the order of packin a concealed weapon. In that catagory would be the pocket knife (multitool) I carry in my day bag. It is concealed, and could be considered a deadly weapon.
I am sure you have seen hunters rolling down the road with easy rider rifle racks with shotguns, rifles on them, but they are not concealed. Is concealment the test of the law (in MD.) I know in Baltimore I can get a permit for a hand gun, but a permit to carry it concealed versus in the open is a point of law that I would love to hear a definitive answer on. Question is If you are willing to offer free advice if I wanted to could I leaglly transport a 12 gauge shotgun on my bike, it would be real hard to conceal. By the way I do not own one. Just curious. TIA

mrdoright0405

Antis have no clue.

Ryan

Really anybody excpet, those certain that has their records aginst them can legally bear arms. As long as the gun is registered. As far as carrying a shotgun on the bike, you can do it but the police can stop you and question you ect ect.. Hopefully you'll have a good reason.

Diggy18

The only reason I would want a gun, is to shoot dogs. ("Hey, look at the stupid mutt who brought teeth to a gun fight! Hahaha!" )Forget a having a bowie knife, imagine having a Glock down there where the water bottle usually goes, or throwin' and old winchester on the back just for the heck of it.

spunko

Unless liscensed in New York you can not posess or carry a firearm.
The ban has withstood all 2nd amendment challanges.
Out of curiosity does anyone know any or which state(s) in the USA that anyone, except felons and certain others, can carry a loaded hand gun concealed or in the open without any permit or license? 38 states have right to carry of those only two have no permit required, guess which or look it up. 12 have no right to carry laws in effect.
I do not own one.

Ryan

You can't carry concealed without a license in any state.

spunko

Yes you can in at least one of the two. Guess which two.

RandyMcD

I have a small arsenal in my home, but I honestly don't see a need to walk around with any of my guns (unless I'm in the woods during hunting season). WWIII rolls around, we'll see...lol...

I also don't think Kathleen was all that serious with her initial post, guys.

spunko

I hope she was not as well. How about you being an owner which states?

Ryan

Why don't you tell me the two states.

jfmckenna

I'd guess Alaska for one?

Ryan

Alaska and Vermont, Vermont surprises me. There's no one to conceal your weapon from in Alaska so guess it doesn't matter..

STATE LAWS ON CARRYING CONCEALED HANDGUNS: CCW LAWS

5 states prohibit the carrying of concealed handguns. 11 states provide law enforcement with discretion to issue or deny CCW permits based. 34 states force police to allow people to carry concealed handguns. Since many larger states have strict limits on CCW permits, nearly half of all Americans live in states that do not force police to let people carry hidden handguns.

States that PROHIBIT the Carrying of Concealed Weapons - There is no CCW permit process.

5 states prohibit the carrying of concealed handguns in public. They do not issue CCW permits. These states are: Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, Ohio, and Wisconsin.

States with LIMITED CCW Laws - Police have authority to reject or approve applicants based on public safety.

11 states have limited CCW laws. These limited laws are called "discretionary" or "may issue" CCW laws. Law enforcement is not required to issue CCW permits but have discretion to approve or deny CCW permits based on whether letting the applicant carry a concealed handgun is in the interest of public safety. In most cases, the applicant must demonstrate a specific need (i.e., applicant works as a security guard) and pass extensive safety training. The CCW permit may be limited to specific firearms and carrying at specific times or in specific places. Most states with "discretionary" CCW permits do not issue many permits, particularly not in larger urban areas. These states are: Alabama, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island. (NOTE: The NRA sometimes classifies Alabama and Connecticut as "right to carry" states, because NRA claims that police in Alabama and Connecticut "do not abuse" their discretion, but the important fact is that police in Alabama and Connecticut do have discretion to issue or deny CCW permits, unlike the mandatory "shall issue" laws that NRA proposes.)

States with MANDATORY CCW Laws - Police are forced to issue CCW permits to almost any non-felon applicant.

34 states force police to allow people to carry concealed handguns in public.

In 32 of the 34 mandatory states, police are forced to allow practically all non-felons to carry concealed handguns in public. These lenient laws, called "non-discretionary" or "shall issue" CCW laws, force law enforcement to issue concealed handgun permits to virtually anyone who does not have a felony conviction. The applicant does not have to show any need for carrying a hidden handgun and law enforcement has no discretion to deny permits even if they think public safety may be endangered, absent a prohibiting offense. Some of these states do not even require safety training and force police to issue permits to people as young as 18. The states are: Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

In 2 of the 34 mandatory states, no permit is even needed to carry a concealed handgun in public. Anyone who can legally possess a gun can carry it concealed in public. These states are: Alaska and Vermont.

Ryan

However in those two state the gun still has to be registered.

spunko

Alaska has a permit required, not sure about concealed but should be easy enough to find out. They got no permit required last year. which suprised me. Overturned existing laws.
Sorry Ryan was not baiting you just wondered with all this talk about guns if anyone knew what they were talking about.

Vermont, yes good old frontier Vermont where a hand gun and a bowie knife, are a the bare necessities to survive on a day to day basis.

But you already know this right.

Off topic read a post about a 150 MS tour up in the Finger Lakes, NY aug 20, 21 or was it 21, 22.
Thinking about going, and if I go am looking for sponsors (donations for MS). Sounds like fun, ever been up there, the finger lake region?

Did not take you long to find the answer. Hopefully the search was educational.

Tom Pedale

Me Three, too much responsibility, the side effects of sidearms are too toxic..

Allister

Considering she posted the troll and apparently abandoned the thread, I guess we'll never know.

BiKe_GuY666

I carry a knife, no gun, but im 14 and I always have to worry about getting jumped by a gang and things like that.

operator

Trust me a knife won't help you one bit if you do get jumped by a "gang". All it does is give you a piece of mind.

iceratt

How many assaults are there on bicyclists where the victim or intended victim could effectively use a gun? If a motorized vehicle driver or a person lurking to push a cyclist off his bike is assaultive, the victim is most likely banged up and in the ditch and unlikely to be in great shape to access and acurately use a gun. If for some insane reason the pedaling cyclist tries to fire on a fleeing vehicle, he is no longer in danger, and he shouldn't shoot with the reduced accuracy from riding. The only post that I ever saw, where a gun toter used his gun was at a trail head or rest stop. How much safer is a gun really going to make a cyclist? I'm not antigun, but this is goofy!

mrdoright0405

Just go to Atlanta on the Silver Comet Bike Trail. I wander why that COP /w full uniform and equipment is riding a golf cart on the trail? No danger of Robbery, ****, beatings, muggings, crackheads or anything like that. Oh yeah The trail is a pleasure trail. I guess he is doing it for fun and pleasure. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Crackheads will take your bike and your belongings and trade for more crack. They dont care if they hurt you. Dont think that because that you're on your bike you cant be a victum. Look at motorist. In the safety of their cars and a druggie comes up out of nowhere and takes their car.