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Old 11-03-09, 06:11 PM
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Let's lay off the **** and related wishes for the Doctor as he sits in jail. Entirely inappropriate and will bring deletions and infractions upon sight.

We can be happy that justice is being served without going down that road.
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Old 11-03-09, 06:35 PM
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While the fellow's act was vile, imprisonment for life is really overkill. I would think an equitable solution would be:

1. Permanent loss of license.
2. Limited real jail time.
3. Suitably long period of probation
4. Suitably large fine

And recourse of the victims to civil court.

Our laws concentrate on some vague concept of deterring individuals and others through punishment. I'm more interested in eliminating the threat at the least cost to society, and in compensating victims.

Certainly revenge doesn't foster a better society, especially when it comes at the hands of the people.
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Old 11-03-09, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikenator View Post
I was glad to see him convicted, and I think it speaks volumes about his attitude that this even went to trial. The evidence was overwhelming, and I'm sure he was offered a plea bargain which his lawyer desperately tried to get him to take. But Dr. "I'm right, they are wrong" wouldn't take the deal. Amazing someone of his level of responsibility and education could be so aberrant, so unable to see how far off the reservation he went, even with over a year to reflect about this. Doesn't this guy have any friends or family telling him how wrong he was/is?

It is relevant to sentencing that he was, of all things, an ER doc, who has training and experience in trauma. Plus the fact that he didn't render aid, and tried to persuade the responding police that the riders' injuries were less than they obviously were. I'd be shocked if the judge didn't bring all of that up, plus his total lack of remorse, and add a little time to his sentence.

This is a classic "set an example for others" opportunity.

As for those bringing up ****, if you really believe that's what anyone deserves, you are no better than the Dr., so knock it off and stop acting like savages.
Plus even if they weren't reported there is his prior history of similar acts as to what he was arrested for and convicted of.

Hopefully the judge will have to leeway to do just that.

You're right, as bad as what he did were. They don't equal him getting raped while he's in the greybar hotel. And with his attitude, unless he changes it, I can see him having time added to his sentence.
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Old 11-03-09, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mandovoodoo View Post
While the fellow's act was vile, imprisonment for life is really overkill. I would think an equitable solution would be:

1. Permanent loss of license.
2. Limited real jail time.
3. Suitably long period of probation
4. Suitably large fine

And recourse of the victims to civil court.

Our laws concentrate on some vague concept of deterring individuals and others through punishment. I'm more interested in eliminating the threat at the least cost to society, and in compensating victims.

Certainly revenge doesn't foster a better society, especially when it comes at the hands of the people.
I agree with everything but number 2. As they used to say in the theme song of Beretta, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Hopefully he looses big in civil court. And as I said, I think that that 911 recording is going to be even more harmful to his civil case then it was in his criminal case.
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Old 11-03-09, 07:11 PM
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If the doctor had been drunk and on this 3rd DUI and just apologized then he would have gotten 3 months in jail and no media attention. Just like all the other DUI killers.
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Hey, what does everyone feel would be an appropriate punishment for the defendant? (A few have already expressed their opinions in this regard.) I feel he should suffer permanent loss of driving privileges, a large fine, and 5–10 years of imprisonment (naturally, he'd have to pay the plaintiffs, as well). (Of course, I didn't witness the trial, so my feelings are naught more than water-cooler talk.)
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Old 11-03-09, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CatSkratch View Post
If the doctor had been drunk and on this 3rd DUI and just apologized then he would have gotten 3 months in jail and no media attention. Just like all the other DUI killers.
I don't know about that, this is a classic case of road rage, and road rage is becoming a media darling, so it's big news. Drunk driving is an easy fix, in 4 easy steps.

1) Take the drunks licence away, this should be a 5 year suspension, after which the DMV deletes their licence. It's as if they never had one, they need to then pass a written drivers test, get a learners permit, go through the licence process all over again. The insurance company can't hold the DUI over them, but can charge brand new driver rates. For professional drivers with enhanced licences this could mean a loss of employment, just means that someone who counts on their licence to drive, takes a bigger risk driving drunk.

A second conviction, would mean a longer suspension, before they delete your licence and require going through an alcohol addiction treatment program. A third would mean you need to be able to prove you have been sober for a period of not less then 15 years, to get the suspension lifted and the licence deleted.

2) New penalties for driving under a suspended licence, a $10,000 fine and seizure and sale of the vehicle they were driving, the owner of the vehicle would be permitted to sue the driver for not more then 75% of value of the vehicle.

3) If there was a collision in relation to the DUI, then victims would be permitted to use the DUI conviction(s) as evidence during a civil proceeding. Losing your licence, your job and getting sued , should be sufficient to cut the number of drunks on the road.

4) Programs like RIDE (Reduce Impaired Driving Everywhere) where the police block off a road and quick check every driver, should be in place year round.
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Actually, that would be a felony DUI, and would get a lot more than 3 months with two priors. The sentencing guidelines for a third offense misdemeanor DUI is 4-12 months without bodily injury. With bodily injury bumps it to a felony, much worse.

But let's be clear here, as bad as DUI's are, they are accidents, malum prohibitum crimes. This does not apply here, as this was an intentional act, much worse, a malum in se crime.

Originally Posted by CatSkratch View Post
If the doctor had been drunk and on this 3rd DUI and just apologized then he would have gotten 3 months in jail and no media attention. Just like all the other DUI killers.
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Old 11-03-09, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mandovoodoo View Post
While the fellow's act was vile, imprisonment for life is really overkill. I would think an equitable solution would be:

1. Permanent loss of license.
2. Limited real jail time.
3. Suitably long period of probation
4. Suitably large fine

And recourse of the victims to civil court.

Our laws concentrate on some vague concept of deterring individuals and others through punishment. I'm more interested in eliminating the threat at the least cost to society, and in compensating victims.

Certainly revenge doesn't foster a better society, especially when it comes at the hands of the people.
Add to the above, some community service at some bicycle related events. Not as a medical practitioner, but perhaps as a flag holder waving off motor traffic or something.
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Old 11-03-09, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Add to the above, some community service at some bicycle related events. Not as a medical practitioner, but perhaps as a flag holder waving off motor traffic or something.
That would be poetic justice.
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Old 11-03-09, 09:31 PM
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the latest...

https://www.velonews.com/article/9981...-victims-speak

Sentencing Dec 3rd. No bail due to risk of flight... the coward may have buggered off to another country given the chance.

Maximum of ten years in prison but probably less.

Likely to lose his medical license soon.

He appeared to cry when the verdicts were read out...remorse?...probably not.
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Old 11-03-09, 09:57 PM
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I'm thinking someplace where he has to work out in a field with a hoe. Some back-breaking manual labor.
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Old 11-04-09, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by longman View Post
He appeared to cry when the verdicts were read out...remorse?...probably not.
Remorse? Yes, for himself.




But certainly not for the actual victims.
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Old 11-04-09, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by longman View Post
https://www.velonews.com/article/9981...-victims-speak

Sentencing Dec 3rd. No bail due to risk of flight... the coward may have buggered off to another country given the chance.

Maximum of ten years in prison but probably less.

Likely to lose his medical license soon.

He appeared to cry when the verdicts were read out...remorse?...probably not.
No longer having any ties to the community I can see him as being a flight risk.

That is probably true, and if his actions on the road are any indication his temper is likely to get him into trouble while he's inside. Hopefully he won't be sentenced to any of those "country club" prisons.

I've gotta agree I don't see him crying out of remorse for what he did. Only what it means to him and his life.
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Old 11-04-09, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
I'm thinking someplace where he has to work out in a field with a hoe. Some back-breaking manual labor.
I like the suggestion of him having to do community service at a bicycle event, preferably a charity event.
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Old 11-04-09, 02:30 AM
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they should make him sit in (obviously not drive) the SAG wagon at a charity ride, imagine the torture!...sat in a van for ~6 hours behind hundreds of cyclists having a great time at 12mph, having to stop and fix their flats or help them into the van where their cheerful, fun-loving natures will drive him crazy!
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Mandating him to work in support of cyclists would only fuel his hatred even more. This would, in his own mind, only further solidify Thompson's self justification of his actions against the cyclists.

Instead, and somewhat ironic: Revoke his drivers licence, and force him to commute to any community service obligation by bicycle. Let him ride "a mile in our shoes" so to speak, and experience first-hand the extreme difficulties that cyclists encounter on the road.

If something positive cannot come out of this, then we all loose. Let's as cyclists, racers, trainers, coaches, commuters take the upper hand and show that all we ask is a bit of patience, respect and care when passing us out on the road. We cannot expect that unless we show it in the first instance. The stage has been set here, let's try to take advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
You're right, as bad as what he did were. They don't equal him getting raped while he's in the greybar hotel.
Or getting his teeth knocked out?
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Or getting his teeth knocked out?
Given his "teach them a lesson" mentality. I can see him mouthing off to the "wrong" inmate and getting served a knuckle sandwich.
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I hate to pile on, but given that I'm an imperfect human being...

He made his own judgement which caused our cycling friends injury, that our steel steeds were inherently unstable, that its riders were flawed and that we did not belong out there. Now he's forced to bear witness that he is flawed and will come to know that prison life is also flawed. It is great that he's going to jail.

I wonder if he'll reform...
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Originally Posted by mandovoodoo View Post
While the fellow's act was vile, imprisonment for life is really overkill. I would think an equitable solution would be:

1. Permanent loss of license.
2. Limited real jail time.
3. Suitably long period of probation
4. Suitably large fine

And recourse of the victims to civil court.

Our laws concentrate on some vague concept of deterring individuals and others through punishment. I'm more interested in eliminating the threat at the least cost to society, and in compensating victims.
+1

I don't think this guy needs to rot in jail for a long period to get the message, but some jail time is important. Six months to a year would do the trick.

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Originally Posted by thdave View Post
I hate to pile on, but given that I'm an imperfect human being...

He made his own judgment which caused our cycling friends injury, that our steel steeds were inherently unstable, that its riders were flawed and that we did not belong out there. Now he's forced to bear witness that he is flawed and will come to know that prison life is also flawed. It is great that he's going to jail.

I wonder if he'll reform...
Judgment based on one very sad (if it happened) incident.

Here's a good question given the large number of cyclists on this site. How many have had a stability problems with their bikes? Yes, we know that because of road conditions beyond our control there can be occasional issues, but that is a characteristic of the road not the bike.

And how many more motor vehicle operators are more flawed then are bicycle operators?

As well as he will come to know that unless he changes his attitude he will find that whatever sentence the court hands him. Will be extended because of his inability to get along with others who points of view differ from his.

Hopefully he will, but it will take a lot of soul searching on his part. Sadly, until he does said soul searching and hopefully comes to realize his mistake and apologizes in civil court that he's possibly blaming the cyclists for his current situation.

When the civil case against him is filed what do y'all think the odds are that between now and the time that the civil case comes to court that he will have done said soul searching. And that he will realize his mistake and actually apologize?
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Originally Posted by Speedo View Post
+1

I don't think this guy needs to rot in jail for a long period to get the message, but some jail time is important. Six months to a year would do the trick.

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Given his actions not just once but at least twice before his court case, that we know of. I don't think that 6 months to a year is going to really teach him anything. I think that he should be sentenced to at least the maximum for the most serious offense. And if he is able to behave himself he should be credited with time for good behavior.

When he is released as a condition of his release he should have to do a set amount of hours of community service. With at least some of it being completed at various bicycle events. So that hopefully he'll learn that his preconceptions of bicycles and bicycle riders is wrong.

There is another good reason I can see to revoke his bail besides the one's listed in the latest article. His safety, as if he was allowed to be free on bail until his sentencing hearing. I could see people wanting to look for/find him and administer a little "u-lock justice" to him before he's sentenced.
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From Wikipediawesome:

"Hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation."

Furthermore...

The Matthew Shepard Act was just passed this October 22. Among other things, it removes the prerequisite that the victim be engaging in a federally-protected activity, like voting or going to school.

Example:

"*****exuals are always holding hands in front of me and I'm sick and tired of it so I decided to teach them a lesson by vandalizing their home".

Oh here's another one:

"Cyclists are always riding their bikes on the street where I drive. I don't like this, so I decided to teach them a lesson by slamming on my brakes and forced them to smack into my steel and glass wall at 30mph.

Perhaps I'm making a stretch; I'm no law expert, but I would wager that not only was this assault with a deadly weapon, but the doc's previous threats against other cyclists mentioned in the trial kind of remind me of KKK members' hazings, abuse, murder, etc. of African-Americans. To me, it qualifies as a hate crime against a definable social group based on a bias towards that group. Just something to ponder.
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Originally Posted by CatSkratch View Post
If the doctor had been drunk and on this 3rd DUI and just apologized then he would have gotten 3 months in jail and no media attention. Just like all the other DUI killers.
If he said he stopped for squirrel, nothing would have happened. Done in by his arrogance.
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