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Old 11-18-09, 07:43 AM
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bike registration for Philly?!? (yea right!)

https://www.kyw1060.com/Council-to-Co...ration/5703470


Posted: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 5:12AM

Council to Consider Bicycle Registration



by KYW's Mike Dunn

The ongoing jockeying among cars, bicycles and pedestrians in Philadelphia took a tragic twist in recent weeks with the deaths of two pedestrians who were struck by bicycles. Now, city council may look at requiring the registration of bikes so cyclists who cause accidents can be tracked down.

City councilman Frank DiCicco says countless pedestrians are struck by bicyclists and rarely does the cyclist stop:
"When someone's struck by a bicycle, all you know is its someone on a bike, and the bicyclist takes off."

His colleague Jim Kenney says the deaths of the two pedestrians highlight the need to restore some order:

"There are elements that refuse to follow the rules, refuse to stay in the bike lane, swerve in and out of traffic during rush hour."

So DiCicco on Thursday will propose that a bill that would institute mandatory bicycle registration:

"My bill would require everyone who operates a bicycle over the age of 12 to have his or her bicycle registered. Because we'll at least have a tag, which we can identify in case there is an accident."

Kenney meantime will propose increasing the fines for riding bicycles on the sidewalks. The current fine is ten dollars. Kenney wants it at $300. He also wants the current three dollar fine for wearing headphones while on a bicycle to also increase to 300 dollars:

"We've had a center city death and a South Philadelphia death, and god knows how many other injuries that have gone unreported. People's health and safety -- and life -- is in the balance with this."

Its unclear whether police or another agency would be responsible for enforcing the new measures. The ideas will be debated in committee.

Kenney will also propose penalties for bicyclists who remove brakes from their vehicles, a practice that he says is suddenly gaining in popularity. He suggests either a $1,000 fine for those operating bicycles without brakes, or a penalty of forfeiture of the bike.

KYW's Steve Tawa reports the legislation comes as more folks are riding bicycles in Philadelphia, some of whom are clearly violating traffic laws, according to Philadelphia police.

It is written into the motor vehicle code and enforcement will be stepped up in the next couple of weeks:

"We're not targeting the family on a Sunday trying to get to Fairmount Park on their bikes, and they coast through a stop sign."

Philadelphlia police Sergeant Ray Evers says they'll stop egregious violators:

"We're looking for people on bikes causing hazards to motor vehicles and pedestrians."

They include cyclists careening along sidewalks, making pedestrians jump out of the way, or going the wrong way on streets, forcing vehicles to screech on their brakes.

Evers says police are working with the Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia to get the word out, during an upcoming educational campaign:

"There's an opportunity to give someone a break, so to speak. If there's something very careless, tickets will be given."

The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia says bottom line: try to behave on a bike as if you're driving a car.



About raising the fine what, 3,000% - motor vehicle laws are made by the STATE, not by individual cities. But, Philly almost considers itself it's own state anyways....
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If police currently aren't enforcing the existing laws as the apply to cyclists, guess what new law they'll be even less likely to want to enforce.

Bike registration.

With increased enforcement efforts, I wonder which law will get the most attention by police?

"There are elements that refuse to follow the rules, refuse to stay in the bike lane....
"We're not targeting the family on a Sunday trying to get to Fairmount Park on their bikes, and they coast through a stop sign."
Yup.
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They already have registration and plates for cars, and when a car does something wrong, the Police don't seem interested in the license plate number.
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They also have no idea as to how a Fixie works (the bikes with no brakes that they mentioned in the article)... although I would highly suggest anyone with a Fixie run a front brake as an extra precaution.

They seem to forget that a bunch of cyclists and pedestrians are killed by cars every year, registration does nothing to stop that.

I'm also sure that this registration bullcrap will involve a fee for the bicyclist, which is exactly what most bicyclists are trying to avoid in the first place. I also wonder, will it apply to the rider or to the individual bicycle? What about those who have multiple bikes? What about your bike being stolen and then used in a crime?

However, beyond all that, lets look at the reality here. Philadelphia is broke. This bill would allow them to get probably 30-100 dollars extra from EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE CITY WHO USES A BIKE. This isn't about safety, it's about money.
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Originally Posted by Bluetrane2028
They also have no idea as to how a Fixie works (the bikes with no brakes that they mentioned in the article)... although I would highly suggest anyone with a Fixie run a front brake as an extra precaution.

They seem to forget that a bunch of cyclists and pedestrians are killed by cars every year, registration does nothing to stop that.

I'm also sure that this registration bullcrap will involve a fee for the bicyclist, which is exactly what most bicyclists are trying to avoid in the first place. I also wonder, will it apply to the rider or to the individual bicycle? What about those who have multiple bikes? What about your bike being stolen and then used in a crime?

However, beyond all that, lets look at the reality here. Philadelphia is broke. This bill would allow them to get probably 30-100 dollars extra from EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE CITY WHO USES A BIKE. This isn't about safety, it's about money.
Just another feel god measure.
Here in Reading, PA we have a mandatory bicycling city ordnance that has been on the books since the 1970's. It costs $2 to register a bike with the traffic department in city hall. This gets you a little white sticker that is supposed to be placed on the seat tube in plain sight. Reading the little registration number from more than a foot or two away is impossible.
The only time the ordnance was enforced was when we had drug dealers using 20" bikes to run drugs around the city at night. If a police officer could not see a city bike license sticker on a bike it gave them "cause to stop". That has been the only time the ordnance was actually used.

The police will tell you that when they recover stolen bicycles they check the frame ID against their registration files.

When my wife and I use the SRT for rides down into Philly we get people looking at the white stickers on the bikes shaking their heads that here in Reading we are required to license a bike with the city.
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This won't solve the problem they're trying to solve, since as WK pointed out, it's impossible to read a bike registration number unless the cyclist stops and lets you do so.

It's nothing more than a way for a politician to build an irritating requirement, decrease privacy, and make money on the backs of a minority without significant political influence to oppose the action.
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Originally Posted by Bluetrane2028
They also have no idea as to how a Fixie works (the bikes with no brakes that they mentioned in the article)... although I would highly suggest anyone with a Fixie run a front brake as an extra precaution.

The thing about brakes isn't really aimed at the fixie riders. I fix bikes for neighborhood kids. This town is in trouble. About 35% of the population is living below poverty level. The kids check trash piles on days when the city picks up trash. Looking for bicycle parts to keep their bike running or to build one out of junk parts. You don't see many 20" bikes with coaster brakes anymore. Most of the bikes that are brought to my house to have tubes patched or tires inflated have no working brakes. Their parents see nothing wrong with their children riding the streets with no brakes.
The only neighborhood kid I know that was in an accident with a car rode through an intersection into moving traffic. I know of no accidents around here that were caused by the bicycle not having operating brakes. I would also point out that none bother with lights or reflectors for riding at night.


Again. It is a feel good thing to make the voters think they are doing something to correct a problem.
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Originally Posted by Whiteknight
Just another feel god measure.
Here in Reading, PA we have a mandatory bicycling city ordnance that has been on the books since the 1970's. It costs $2 to register a bike with the traffic department in city hall. This gets you a little white sticker that is supposed to be placed on the seat tube in plain sight. Reading the little registration number from more than a foot or two away is impossible.
The only time the ordnance was enforced was when we had drug dealers using 20" bikes to run drugs around the city at night. If a police officer could not see a city bike license sticker on a bike it gave them "cause to stop". That has been the only time the ordnance was actually used.

The police will tell you that when they recover stolen bicycles they check the frame ID against their registration files.

When my wife and I use the SRT for rides down into Philly we get people looking at the white stickers on the bikes shaking their heads that here in Reading we are required to license a bike with the city.
Wow, I had no idea about Reading's registration law. I grew up in Reading's suburbia, Muhlenberg to be precise. I rode into the city often enough but never noticed stickers on other people's bikes and was never stopped to ask about it. However, I WAS stopped by a Laureldale cop on my bike for going more than 10mph over a 25 mph speed limit... Got out of that one though.
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I didn't realize that bike lane use was mandatory in Philly.
If a cyclist swerve in and out of traffic to avoid a hazard in the bike lane is that also illegal?
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Originally Posted by TuckertonRR
https://www.kyw1060.com/Council-to-Co...ration/5703470


Posted: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 5:12AM

Council to Consider Bicycle Registration



by KYW's Mike Dunn

The ongoing jockeying among cars, bicycles and pedestrians in Philadelphia took a tragic twist in recent weeks with the deaths of two pedestrians who were struck by bicycles. Now, city council may look at requiring the registration of bikes so cyclists who cause accidents can be tracked down.

City councilman Frank DiCicco says countless pedestrians are struck by bicyclists and rarely does the cyclist stop:
"When someone's struck by a bicycle, all you know is its someone on a bike, and the bicyclist takes off."

His colleague Jim Kenney says the deaths of the two pedestrians highlight the need to restore some order:

"There are elements that refuse to follow the rules, refuse to stay in the bike lane, swerve in and out of traffic during rush hour."

So DiCicco on Thursday will propose that a bill that would institute mandatory bicycle registration:

"My bill would require everyone who operates a bicycle over the age of 12 to have his or her bicycle registered. Because we'll at least have a tag, which we can identify in case there is an accident."

Kenney meantime will propose increasing the fines for riding bicycles on the sidewalks. The current fine is ten dollars. Kenney wants it at $300. He also wants the current three dollar fine for wearing headphones while on a bicycle to also increase to 300 dollars:

"We've had a center city death and a South Philadelphia death, and god knows how many other injuries that have gone unreported. People's health and safety -- and life -- is in the balance with this."

Its unclear whether police or another agency would be responsible for enforcing the new measures. The ideas will be debated in committee.

Kenney will also propose penalties for bicyclists who remove brakes from their vehicles, a practice that he says is suddenly gaining in popularity. He suggests either a $1,000 fine for those operating bicycles without brakes, or a penalty of forfeiture of the bike.

KYW's Steve Tawa reports the legislation comes as more folks are riding bicycles in Philadelphia, some of whom are clearly violating traffic laws, according to Philadelphia police.

It is written into the motor vehicle code and enforcement will be stepped up in the next couple of weeks:

"We're not targeting the family on a Sunday trying to get to Fairmount Park on their bikes, and they coast through a stop sign."

Philadelphlia police Sergeant Ray Evers says they'll stop egregious violators:

"We're looking for people on bikes causing hazards to motor vehicles and pedestrians."

They include cyclists careening along sidewalks, making pedestrians jump out of the way, or going the wrong way on streets, forcing vehicles to screech on their brakes.

Evers says police are working with the Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia to get the word out, during an upcoming educational campaign:

"There's an opportunity to give someone a break, so to speak. If there's something very careless, tickets will be given."

The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia says bottom line: try to behave on a bike as if you're driving a car.



About raising the fine what, 3,000% - motor vehicle laws are made by the STATE, not by individual cities. But, Philly almost considers itself it's own state anyways....
And how long before people call for pedestrians/joggers/roller bladers/skateboarders to have to register, as they also just dart out into traffic, run into each other and cause "accidents."

If the Center City incident is the one that I am thinking of, the facts, the last I knew were not fully known. And for all we know the pedestrian could have been the one who caused the collision. And we also do not know what if anything was said between the pedestrian and the cyclist while they were on the ground. It could have been that the pedestrian said that he was okay and to take off.

As for the fines, aren't they a little steep for the risk? I say increase the sidewalk riding fine to $50.00 for the first offense and increasing for each offense just like with cars. And increase the fine for headphones from $3.00 to $10.00 for the first offense again increasing for each subsequent offense. But jumping them up to $300.00 isn't going to serve anyone but the city coffers.

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Just yesterday a bike messenger going full blast blew a red light on Vine street. The only thing that prevented him from becoming a red oil streak on the pavement was evasive maneuver made by the oncoming car's driver. Too close, and senseless!

Deny there is a problem, or lay it off to cynicism "the city needs to fleece bicylist" and soon Philly will become very bicycle unfriendly. Right now the light of government is on bicyclist. That brings heat. Not good to ignore it or write it off. As personal watercraft owners in Washington state can tell you; it's serious stuff. They too thought it was "bull!"

The city will do whatever it needs to reign in the offending "Elements." As an avid cylist myself, the sooner the better. These people, a very small group, along with causing damage, are giving all cyclist a bad name.

Im pissed that, as a law biding rider, I'll have to suffer because this element doesn't get it.
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I will admit something that most won't- I lived in Philadelphia for most of my 20's and often rode my BMX bike illegally on sidewalks and anywhere I could go on it that provided the quickest trip. I often jumped in and out of traffic, on and off curbs in North, West, South and Center City Philadelphia- I was one of those jerks who sped down Market and near blindly crossed the Round-a-bout and jumped the curb and raced balls to the wall through city hall....... In the seven years I got into two accidents

I hit a pedestrian on the UofPenn campus while traveling on the sidewalk, I smashed the back of his leg so hard my peg ripped his flesh right off and I went over the handle bars. He told me it was his fault and his friends urged me not to stay that they would take him to the doctor, I rode away as fast as I could and I regret the situation now.

The other time it was a bus who ran me off the Walnut Street bridge going west bound to UCity, in my haste to get out of their way I unsuccessfully tried to hop the curb and hit my rear tire it sprung over me and dropped me head long on the sidewalk, my haro was left literally hanging by it's handlebar on the bridge's edge over looking I-76.

Those are my stories- nothing to do with anything in this thread but I don't think Philly is any more dangerous than it was then nor is it anymore dangerous than living other places- actually I would make a case that it is usually safer in CC considering the traffic and slow speeds.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
And how long before people call for pedestrians/joggers/roller bladers/skateboarders to have to register, as they also just dart out into traffic, run into each other and cause "accidents."

As for the fines, aren't they a little steep for the risk? I say increase the sidewalk riding fine to $50.00 for the first offense and increasing for each offense just like with cars. And increase the fine for headphones from $3.00 to $10.00 for the first offense again increasing for each subsequent offense. But jumping them up to $300.00 isn't going to serve anyone but the city coffers.
The last sentence in the quote says it all!

There are state laws that regulate bicycling. But if the city police cite someone under the state law the state gets most of the fine, not the city. But if they are cited under a city ordinance the city gets to keep all of the fine money. Then tack on the other fees they add to such citations and the city gets even more money.

Reading, PA just went under Pennsylvania's Act 47 where the state steps into a city going broke. The mayor of Philly spoke recently on how these cities are going broke because an increasing portion of the city's population is falling into poverty. So now they are looking at ways to make a lesser number of citizens cough up more money. Reading has been increasing the fines for violations of various city ordinances as a way of raising more monies.
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I love laws where they say, "well we'll pass it, but won't enforce it against this group over here. That's not what the law is for, it's only for this group over here".

So write the danged law so that it only applies to the group you want to target. The creeping hand of govn't ensures that the family out riding on the weekend will eventually be caught in this enforcement net.

This is just more political grandstanding to take advantage of a tragedy. I would like to see a law that targets that behavior, but I won't hold my breath.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
As for the fines, aren't they a little steep for the risk? I say increase the sidewalk riding fine to $50.00 for the first offense and increasing for each offense just like with cars. And increase the fine for headphones from $3.00 to $10.00 for the first offense again increasing for each subsequent offense. But jumping them up to $300.00 isn't going to serve anyone but the city coffers.
I would agree, here in Ontario the fines for most minor automobile related violations, is $110, guess what most of the fines for cycling violations, $110. Having looked at the proposed list of violations, they should check the state laws first, because some of them may be covered already. If they are, then the city should take it's queues for the size of fines from the state laws. Otherwise people are going to ask to be charged under the state law, because the fine is less.

Registration of that type is only useful if the bicycle needs a licence plate, which would be the size of a typical motorcycle plate. They may run into problems with the state though, because it would be confusing to people, whether it's a city issued or a state issued plate.
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Originally Posted by tom cotter
Deny there is a problem, or lay it off to cynicism "the city needs to fleece bicylist" and soon Philly will become very bicycle unfriendly. Right now the light of government is on bicyclist. That brings heat. Not good to ignore it or write it off. As personal watercraft owners in Washington state can tell you; it's serious stuff. They too thought it was "bull!"

The city will do whatever it needs to reign in the offending "Elements." As an avid cylist myself, the sooner the better. These people, a very small group, along with causing damage, are giving all cyclist a bad name.

Im pissed that, as a law biding rider, I'll have to suffer because this element doesn't get it.
And what happens when they enact this law and nothing changes? Because, you know, this measure solves exactly the same thing as keeping shampoo bottles off of airplanes does; NOTHING. It's being suggested simply because people are upset about something, and any politician knows that whenever emotions are stirred up, you USE THEM to pull people to your side. If you can't think up something EFFECTIVE and easy, then think of something that sounds reasonable and is easy, and make sure it doesn't inconvenience anyone who votes very much.
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=1 on gov using outrage to push its agenda. Problem is: there is no anti-bike agenda in Philly. In fact, quite the opposite. Philly just created river to river bike lanes on two center city streets, one eastbound, one west. The lanes are a temporary experiment, but could become permanant.

The "element" alluded to are more than likely bike messengers. The city could ban them at absolutely no political cost. In fact, the messengers have such a bad rep most would applaud the action.

The laws could be pointless or could have teeth. UPS and FedEx found out the hard way that the city was serious when it said they wanted them to stop blocking streets during rush hour. Now they are banned from center city during certain hours, limited on where they can park at all hours.

The problem in center city Philly is real. Those who don't get it will get it. And we all will have to pay.
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So I guess we will soon see cyclist trying to get their confiscated bicycles out of the Philly impound lot in future episodes of "Parking Wars".

Of course the cyclist will not be able to get their bikes back unless an insurance company faxes over a copy of their insurance policy.
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Originally Posted by TuckertonRR
https://www.kyw1060.com/Council-to-Co...ration/5703470


Posted: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 5:12AM

Council to Consider Bicycle Registration



by KYW's Mike Dunn

The ongoing jockeying among cars, bicycles and pedestrians in Philadelphia took a tragic twist in recent weeks with the deaths of two pedestrians who were struck by bicycles. Now, city council may look at requiring the registration of bikes so cyclists who cause accidents can be tracked down.

City councilman Frank DiCicco says countless pedestrians are struck by bicyclists and rarely does the cyclist stop:
"When someone's struck by a bicycle, all you know is its someone on a bike, and the bicyclist takes off."

His colleague Jim Kenney says the deaths of the two pedestrians highlight the need to restore some order:

"There are elements that refuse to follow the rules, refuse to stay in the bike lane, swerve in and out of traffic during rush hour."

So DiCicco on Thursday will propose that a bill that would institute mandatory bicycle registration:

"My bill would require everyone who operates a bicycle over the age of 12 to have his or her bicycle registered. Because we'll at least have a tag, which we can identify in case there is an accident."

Kenney meantime will propose increasing the fines for riding bicycles on the sidewalks. The current fine is ten dollars. Kenney wants it at $300. He also wants the current three dollar fine for wearing headphones while on a bicycle to also increase to 300 dollars:

"We've had a center city death and a South Philadelphia death, and god knows how many other injuries that have gone unreported. People's health and safety -- and life -- is in the balance with this."

Its unclear whether police or another agency would be responsible for enforcing the new measures. The ideas will be debated in committee.

Kenney will also propose penalties for bicyclists who remove brakes from their vehicles, a practice that he says is suddenly gaining in popularity. He suggests either a $1,000 fine for those operating bicycles without brakes, or a penalty of forfeiture of the bike.

KYW's Steve Tawa reports the legislation comes as more folks are riding bicycles in Philadelphia, some of whom are clearly violating traffic laws, according to Philadelphia police.

It is written into the motor vehicle code and enforcement will be stepped up in the next couple of weeks:

"We're not targeting the family on a Sunday trying to get to Fairmount Park on their bikes, and they coast through a stop sign."

Philadelphlia police Sergeant Ray Evers says they'll stop egregious violators:

"We're looking for people on bikes causing hazards to motor vehicles and pedestrians."

They include cyclists careening along sidewalks, making pedestrians jump out of the way, or going the wrong way on streets, forcing vehicles to screech on their brakes.

Evers says police are working with the Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia to get the word out, during an upcoming educational campaign:

"There's an opportunity to give someone a break, so to speak. If there's something very careless, tickets will be given."

The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia says bottom line: try to behave on a bike as if you're driving a car.



About raising the fine what, 3,000% - motor vehicle laws are made by the STATE, not by individual cities. But, Philly almost considers itself it's own state anyways....
He obviously wants to get rid of cyclists.
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Originally Posted by tom cotter
Just yesterday a bike messenger going full blast blew a red light on Vine street. The only thing that prevented him from becoming a red oil streak on the pavement was evasive maneuver made by the oncoming car's driver. Too close, and senseless!

Deny there is a problem, or lay it off to cynicism "the city needs to fleece bicylist" and soon Philly will become very bicycle unfriendly. Right now the light of government is on bicyclist. That brings heat. Not good to ignore it or write it off. As personal watercraft owners in Washington state can tell you; it's serious stuff. They too thought it was "bull!"

The city will do whatever it needs to reign in the offending "Elements." As an avid cylist myself, the sooner the better. These people, a very small group, along with causing damage, are giving all cyclist a bad name.

Im pissed that, as a law biding rider, I'll have to suffer because this element doesn't get it.
To someone who has lived in the Philly area their whole life, I don't care for the word "elements" - to anyone that remembers the Rizzo years (1960's - late 70's), frank rizzo often cited "the criminal element" (which was a euphemism for black people).
And to cite bikers in just a few "hot" neighborhoods (downtown, university city) makes it obvious it's all about money. No mention of bikers in North Philly, Mt Airy, or the Northeast....hmmmm.

And, as a previous poster mentioned, the existing laws regarding bicycles are hardly ever enforced. Of course, the obvious solution to laws not being enforced is to make new laws!
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I have been listening to this HYY. I guess since Nuttcase could not get his gunlaws passed he decided it would be easier for his Police to waste their time checking bike registration rather than chasing drug dealers, ****** and the maniac drivers on Roosevelt Speedway.
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If police currently aren't enforcing the existing laws as the apply to cyclists, guess what new law they'll be even less likely to want to enforce.

Bike registration.
Something tells me that if they start charging people $300 for breaking the rules, a lot more officers would start handing out tickets....
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I will register my bikes.

Let me know when every crackhead's bike is registered. Then, tell me when all of the J-walkers wear a number (like in a marathon) for quick identification and cross reference their names, addresses, and cell phone numbers on the Internet along with motor vehicle plates.

Not only will I register my bikes, but I will also do my best to obey all traffic laws.
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Some of you are ignoring that:

One- There is a problem

and

Two- Government is going to act

As one poster wrote- with $300 fines the police will be handing out a lot more tickets.

hey folks, I've worked in Center City Philly for 20 plus years and i'm an avid cyclist who books thousands of mikes every year. I hate all the same things you all do, drivers , no respects, access, etc etc etc. And from that perspective, I gotta tell ya, I'm fed up with some of the crap I see goin" with the way people ride in center city. I believe that whatever action is taken should be limited to only certain sections of the city and only to certain groups.

For example- wrong way on a one way street in center city- big fine

same for riding on sidewalk in CC during certain hours. Limit registration to commercial vehicles - bikes used to make money- that would be delivery businesses and messengers. Add in a commercial bike rider's license, with the possiblity of a test. Force compliance.
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Originally Posted by tom cotter
Some of you are ignoring that:

One- There is a problem

and

Two- Government is going to act

As one poster wrote- with $300 fines the police will be handing out a lot more tickets.

hey folks, I've worked in Center City Philly for 20 plus years and i'm an avid cyclist who books thousands of mikes every year. I hate all the same things you all do, drivers , no respects, access, etc etc etc. And from that perspective, I gotta tell ya, I'm fed up with some of the crap I see goin" with the way people ride in center city. I believe that whatever action is taken should be limited to only certain sections of the city and only to certain groups.

For example- wrong way on a one way street in center city- big fine

same for riding on sidewalk in CC during certain hours. Limit registration to commercial vehicles - bikes used to make money- that would be delivery businesses and messengers. Add in a commercial bike rider's license, with the possiblity of a test. Force compliance.

Please. # 1 - this is Philly we're talking about. The majority of car drivers in North Philly, Germantown, & West Philly don't even have valid motor vehicle drivers licenses. Not to mention current registration & inspection on their motor vehicles.

#2 - There aren't any more pressing issues in the city, such as:
- lack of enforcement of existing laws on Roosevelt Blvd (as mentioned by a previous poster)
- a continuing epidemic of homicides & drug-related violence
- illegal usage of atv's / dirt bikes on city streets (esp. South Philly, from what I've seen), and complete lack of enforcement.

There's many more, more important issues that the city is facing. As I've said before, follow the money....Why is Decicco so concerned about = This Issue = Right Now = ???
Maybe channel 29 should do some sort of investigative report on these public officials???

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