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Old 07-25-14, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by keyven View Post
For example, my dad tailgates - CONSTANTLY. At 60mph, he's less than 10 feet from the front car more often than not. In over 40 years of driving, he's never been in a major accident before - none involving injury or death - so his confidence level is obviously high. He believes as long as he can tell the traffic conditions ahead, there is no danger of an accident. Of course, that ignores the low chance a stray animal might jump out of the bushes and cause the front car to slam their brakes.
If he has a great driving record for 40 years I'm inclined to trust his judgment over your description. How's your driving record?
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Old 07-25-14, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
If he has a great driving record for 40 years I'm inclined to trust his judgment over your description. How's your driving record?
Then you're a moron. Simple as that.

My driving record is definitely not spotless, but apparently, you are not bright enough to realize that my driving record has nothing to do with this. I do know his driving is better than mine, but at those speeds and distances, reaction time means zero. Your logic seems to point out that you believe he could still avoid a crash if the car in front jams his brake unexpectedly, which is humanly impossible.

My entire family agrees he drives far too dangerously close to others - not for some personal thrill, but as habit.
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Old 07-26-14, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by keyven View Post
Then you're a moron. Simple as that.

My driving record is definitely not spotless, but apparently, you are not bright enough to realize that my driving record has nothing to do with this. I do know his driving is better than mine, but at those speeds and distances, reaction time means zero. Your logic seems to point out that you believe he could still avoid a crash if the car in front jams his brake unexpectedly, which is humanly impossible.

My entire family agrees he drives far too dangerously close to others - not for some personal thrill, but as habit.
I guess this demonstrates the inaccuracy of judgmental stereotyping.

Speaks for itself.
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Old 07-26-14, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
I guess this demonstrates the inaccuracy of judgmental stereotyping.

Speaks for itself.
It clearly demonstrates your lack of common sense. Next time you might want to deal with facts rather than narrow-minded theorycrafting. Have a good day.
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Old 07-26-14, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
Most folks believe that of themselves, but several years ago I did a professional drivers safety course and some of the simulator exercises were to demonstrate how much seemingly benign distractions can diminish ones perceptions.
Its an eye opener when demonstrated in an empirical way.
so all motorcycles are impaired

as well as all cagers


everyones impaired!

being impaired is thus the norm, thus noone is impaired overal
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Old 07-26-14, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by italktocats View Post
so all motorcycles are impaired

as well as all cagers


everyones impaired!

being impaired is thus the norm, thus noone is impaired overal
Haha, good point.

I think that someone really would have to be a "moron" to be unable to realize that he's distracted by something. Most people aren't morons, obviously, so their actions are deliberate.
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Old 07-26-14, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Haha, good point.

I think that someone really would have to be a "moron" to be unable to realize that he's distracted by something. Most people aren't morons, obviously, so their actions are deliberate.
nah, its worse; its takes "normal behavior" for that to happen; walk out of the house, get in the car, drive off. driving a car isnt something that requires normal behavior/attention, it required at least 3x as much, the risk is too big

theyre not morons, theyre just ignorant
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Old 07-26-14, 10:30 AM
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nah, its worse; its takes "normal behavior" for that to happen; walk out of the house, get in the car, drive off. driving a car isnt something that requires normal behavior/attention, it required at least 3x as much, the risk is too big

theyre not morons, theyre just ignorant
true. but I was still on about the I-pod zombies on bikes or walking. If their behavior isn't completely random I don't care what they're doing.

The thing about driving, for most people, particularly a commuter, is that after so many hours on the same route he tends to believe he can drive by reflex without needing particular attention. The issue there is how much attention they devote to it, not whether they have a radio or music on.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
true. but I was still on about the I-pod zombies on bikes or walking. If their behavior isn't completely random I don't care what they're doing.

The thing about driving, for most people, particularly a commuter, is that after so many hours on the same route he tends to believe he can drive by reflex without needing particular attention. The issue there is how much attention they devote to it, not whether they have a radio or music on.
its the same; it doesnt matter what theyre driving/riding, to them its the same as walking as to how much attention/risk is involved
if one doesnt care about their responsibilty, theyre gonna act like that all the time anyway
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Originally Posted by italktocats View Post
its the same; it doesnt matter what theyre driving/riding, to them its the same as walking as to how much attention/risk is involved
if one doesnt care about their responsibilty, theyre gonna act like that all the time anyway
I'd be more inclined to agree with your first opinion, that driving should require 3x the attention. Greater risk for others, greater responsibility, simple equation.
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Old 07-26-14, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
I'd be more inclined to agree with your first opinion, that driving should require 3x the attention. Greater risk for others, greater responsibility, simple equation.
common knowledge aint that common anymore
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Old 07-26-14, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by italktocats View Post
are those smaller than in amsterdam?
Much narrower. This is a two lane bike lane, traffic in both directions. It gets pretty busy during rush hour.


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Old 07-26-14, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
FWIW I ride sometimes with an earbud, sometimes with two, usually without, and there is no impairment whatsoever. My awareness is not impacted. On those occasions where I am passed, I am aware of them before they alert me, and it makes no difference whether they do or do not alert me.

I ding my bell at pedestrians and other cyclists prior to passing them. I see it as a courtesy however, and it doesn't seem to have an appreciable impact on my safety either way. I don't really care if the guy with his head wired hears me or not - if it doesn't bother him, I'm fine with it.

It just seems like everything goes more smoothly when we stop worrying about how other people do things.
Problem is is that it does effect me. When need to communicate that I'm passing someone, and they can't hear me and veer into me it's dangerous. Not to mention the idiots that ride on the sidewalk (it's legal here) at 25kph, unable to hear doors open and people walking out. I and many people I know, have almost been hit by these idiots, and they don't even know you are there as they are so immersed in their own little world.

Also, my wife was hit whilst riding by some idiot wearing headphones who flew out of a blind driveway and smacked right into her. She yelled and braked, but he had no idea she was there until he hit her. As she was laying on the ground he took off his headphones and asked 'what?' If he would have been able to hear her screaming at him he could have braked. Hit her hard enough to crack her frame.
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Old 07-26-14, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
Problem is is that it does effect me. When need to communicate that I'm passing someone, and they can't hear me and veer into me it's dangerous. Not to mention the idiots that ride on the sidewalk (it's legal here) at 25kph, unable to hear doors open and people walking out. I and many people I know, have almost been hit by these idiots, and they don't even know you are there as they are so immersed in their own little world.

Also, my wife was hit whilst riding by some idiot wearing headphones who flew out of a blind driveway and smacked right into her. She yelled and braked, but he had no idea she was there until he hit her. As she was laying on the ground he took off his headphones and asked 'what?' If he would have been able to hear her screaming at him he could have braked. Hit her hard enough to crack her frame.
It happens, but the idiot is still an idiot when he takes his headphones off. It doesn't mean that the headphones make everyone behave like maniacs.
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I never said that everyone with headphones is an idiot rider, but the majority of idiot riders I, and others I've spoken with here in Riga, are wearing headphones. Hell, I was almost hit by one the other day. Good thing I have fast reactions and anticipated that it might happen. He flew around a blind corner. Had he not had headphones on he would have heard my bell before I went around said corner. To his credit he did apologize for riding like an idiot.
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I never said that everyone with headphones is an idiot rider, but the majority of idiot riders I, and others I've spoken with here in Riga, are wearing headphones. Hell, I was almost hit by one the other day. Good thing I have fast reactions and anticipated that it might happen. He flew around a blind corner. Had he not had headphones on he would have heard my bell before I went around said corner. To his credit he did apologize for riding like an idiot.
You didn't but it appears to be a theme in this thread so I took the opportunity to emphasize that.

I have a 5" scar on my arm from a cyclist who flew around a corner like that and target-fixated on me. He wasn't wearing headphones, but had he been I might have seized onto that to reinforce a prejudice. Most of the idiotic riding that I observe does not involve headphones.
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It's not a prejudice, it's based on actual experiences, and is shared amongst the vast majority of serious cyclists I know. Folks who ride a lot in these parts know better.
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Old 07-26-14, 02:47 PM
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Most of the idiotic riding that I observe does not involve headphones.
I resemble that remark!

I never wear headphones. See my sig line for more details.
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Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
It's not a prejudice, it's based on actual experiences, and is shared amongst the vast majority of serious cyclists I know. Folks who ride a lot in these parts know better.
The same could be said for most prejudices. They are based on actual experiences, and are shared by the majority. What makes it a prejudice is judging a person or assuming behavioral characteristics based on some characteristic.

I'm not directing it at you specifically, but that's what I'm seeing here.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
I resemble that remark!

I never wear headphones. See my sig line for more details.
I have them turned off, sorry.

I'd say that the majority of stupid riding that I see involves someone wearing a helmet. But I do not associate helmets with stupidity.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
I have them [sig lines] turned off, sorry.

I'd say that the majority of stupid riding that I see involves someone wearing a helmet. But I do not associate helmets with stupidity.
I wear a helmet AND do not wear headphones, yet...my riding style has been called idiotic.

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Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
Much narrower. This is a two lane bike lane, traffic in both directions. It gets pretty busy during rush hour.



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Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
When need to communicate that I'm passing someone, and they can't hear me and veer into me it's dangerous..
thus headphones are dangerous, i get it
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It's not a prejudice, it's based on actual experiences, and is shared amongst the vast majority of serious cyclists I know. Folks who ride a lot in these parts know better.
Not prejudice at all, eh?
Would it be safe to say that you identify people who fit your own cycling profile as "serious cyclists," and they obviously must know better than those cycling duds who don't resemble you and your cycling pals?
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Let's see here, it appears that Ziemas and his buds got together and decided that cyclists who wear headphones are idiots, so it must be fact. Why does this sound familiar to those of us who lived through the civil rights ear in the US?
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