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Old 02-01-10, 08:07 PM
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Dog dilemma

Somebody help me before I take the law into my own hands.

About a year and a half ago I had a collision with a neighbor's dog. The dog was running loose. It ran out in front of me, we crashed and I ended up with a broken collarbone that required surgery to fix. I now have a plate in my shoulder. I hired a lawyer and the owner's insurance paid my medical bills and then some. After I was fit to ride again I did, and the dog chased me again. I complained to the sheriff, mayor, and city attorney. Nothing happened. I Halted the dog 2x and it quit getting near enough to me to get Halted again. The owner started keeping the dog tied up MOST of the time.

A few months ago the owners moved away. Now they are back. The dog is back. It chased me tonight, and it came out of nowhere, like it did the time we crashed. On my way back home I had my Halt out, but the dog kept far enough away to not get sprayed.

I live in a small, insular community. The dog's owner is the mayor's son. All politicians and police are "in bed together." The sheriff has repeatedly refused to do anything, saying such things as, "no motor vehicle was involved in your crash," and "I don't know if we have a leash law." The attorney said I would have to contact the mayor about the possibility of getting the leash law enforced - there actually is one but its never enforced. People around here generally don't like bicycles.
That's all I can think of to say now.
Any suggestions?
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Take it to the state governor, perhaps?

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You need to go have a long heart to heart talk with the owner, and if that doesn't work, go have a talk with one of the columnists at your local paper.

You already have a plate in your shoulder from this dog, you don't need any additional problems.

Also, quit screwing around with Halt, and go buy some bear spray from https://udap.com. You shouldn't have to hit it more than once with that stuff.

Originally Posted by sknhgy View Post
Somebody help me before I take the law into my own hands.

About a year and a half ago I had a collision with a neighbor's dog. The dog was running loose. It ran out in front of me, we crashed and I ended up with a broken collarbone that required surgery to fix. I now have a plate in my shoulder. I hired a lawyer and the owner's insurance paid my medical bills and then some. After I was fit to ride again I did, and the dog chased me again. I complained to the sheriff, mayor, and city attorney. Nothing happened. I Halted the dog 2x and it quit getting near enough to me to get Halted again. The owner started keeping the dog tied up MOST of the time.

A few months ago the owners moved away. Now they are back. The dog is back. It chased me tonight, and it came out of nowhere, like it did the time we crashed. On my way back home I had my Halt out, but the dog kept far enough away to not get sprayed.

I live in a small, insular community. The dog's owner is the mayor's son. All politicians and police are "in bed together." The sheriff has repeatedly refused to do anything, saying such things as, "no motor vehicle was involved in your crash," and "I don't know if we have a leash law." The attorney said I would have to contact the mayor about the possibility of getting the leash law enforced - there actually is one but its never enforced. People around here generally don't like bicycles.
That's all I can think of to say now.
Any suggestions?
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Stop riding when you see the dog and see what the dog does.


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Hmmm, this is a tough one.I like dogs/cats critters of all types.
Is there any way to make friends with this dog? Stop, give him a treat, pat him etc?Are you scared of dogs, kinda give off a fear vibe? Lots of folks are kinda uncomfortable around dogs, so making buddies isn't an option.
Your problem is his owner is well connected, and you aren't.Your best bet is to go directly to the dog.The mutt will be much easier to deal with than the owner or the cops.


When he comes out stop and make friends with him. Yes, it is a pain in the rump, but what you are currently doing isn't working very well.
Now, if this is a really big headed muscular aggressive dog-pit bull, rottweiler all bets are off, but I assume you would tell us if you are scared spitless of the mutt.
Dogs chase moving things-written in their genes-and this owner isn't inclined to train this tendency out of his dog.
Yes, others will chime in that you are encouraging the dog to come to you-chase you- but you are encouraging him to expect something pleasant from you-stop-give treat-pat head etc. Soon he will come out, but not with teeth bared-give treat-ride off while he eats-repeat- pat head-treat repeat-repeat.Soon he won't be ambushing you-he'll come out, but not with bad intent.

The odds are stacked against you-politically/legally etc with the humans-try the mutt.Dogs are easier to train than humans.Cheapo milk bones come to mind.
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+100 on the press; if the gov't won't do the right thing, someone needs to 'induce' them to do so.

But then, for me personally, I don't know that I'd want to live in a place like that. How attached are you to the place?

(I wouldn't consider it 'being run off', I'd look at it as 'shaking the dust off my feet'.)
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I don't know if you have one where you are, but isn't this where animal control/SPCA is useful? Around here Animal Control is privatized so they're pretty darn keen to pick up an off leash dog. If they're a county service and not a city one there's no reason why the local bigwigs should have any effect on whether or not they do their jobs. I'm not too surprised that the cops don't care, particularly if the mayor is a big enough fish to make 'em not want to bother with his son's antics.

Although I'm an animal lover, if there is no animal control or other authorities in your area I say step up the chemical warfare, just check the regulations carefully. Animals learn to avoid unpleasant things with only one exposure if it's severe enough, particularly if it makes 'em sick.
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Originally Posted by sknhgy View Post
Somebody help me before I take the law into my own hands.

About a year and a half ago I had a collision with a neighbor's dog. The dog was running loose. It ran out in front of me, we crashed and I ended up with a broken collarbone that required surgery to fix. I now have a plate in my shoulder. I hired a lawyer and the owner's insurance paid my medical bills and then some. After I was fit to ride again I did, and the dog chased me again. I complained to the sheriff, mayor, and city attorney. Nothing happened. I Halted the dog 2x and it quit getting near enough to me to get Halted again. The owner started keeping the dog tied up MOST of the time.

A few months ago the owners moved away. Now they are back. The dog is back. It chased me tonight, and it came out of nowhere, like it did the time we crashed. On my way back home I had my Halt out, but the dog kept far enough away to not get sprayed.

I live in a small, insular community. The dog's owner is the mayor's son. All politicians and police are "in bed together." The sheriff has repeatedly refused to do anything, saying such things as, "no motor vehicle was involved in your crash," and "I don't know if we have a leash law." The attorney said I would have to contact the mayor about the possibility of getting the leash law enforced - there actually is one but its never enforced. People around here generally don't like bicycles.
That's all I can think of to say now.
Any suggestions?
Has the dog in question actually bitten you, or just knocked you off the bike? If the local officials aren't willing to do anything because of the dog's owners connections. Go to the county level. Make an official complaint about it being a dangerous/viscous animal. And as much as I am sure you don't want to harm the animal if I am not mistaken in most jurisdictions one can use deadly force to defend themselves against an animal. Particularly if they are in fear of their life/safety.

I would recommend that being as the owners know that the dog is a threat, and that they allow it off of it's leash. And these days with more people owning the so called "dangerous" breeds i.e. Pit Bulls, Rotties, Dobbies, etc. Communities are enforcing leash laws to protect it's citizens. Although from what you've said whether there is one or not in your community it sounds as if the dog's owner is far enough up the food chain to be "protected" from such practices.

You may have to take the law into your own hands and use deadly force to protect yourself from this dog.

I hate to see it come to this, but think what could happen if the next person it attacks is a small child or an elderly person and it mauls them either inflicting serious injury or causing death.
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Send a letter to your State Attorney. Keep it concise and professional. Include the details of your crash and follow-up for background information. Include names, dates, addresses and locations.
https://www.statesattorney.org/index2...he_office.html

Keep in mind that if this dog is hazard to you it is likely also a hazard to other people.

Follow up with the Illinois Attorney General if you feel necessary.
https://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/

Also research your state statutes. Illinois may have a state leash law or other laws preventing roaming animals, particularly if they present a threat to citizens.

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If Sheriff Coltrane isn't willing to help you with Cletus's dog, I'd see go see if Bo and Luke could kidnap the dog and maybe take it over to Cooter's garage for hiding out. Daisy could go by and feed it until Boss Hogg comes looking for those Duke boys and they have to outrun him and Enos in the General Lee.

If that doesn't work, find a roadkill skunk and toss it to the dog. Repeat until they keep the dog inside.

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If Sheriff Coltrane isn't willing to help you with Cletus's dog, I'd see go see if Bo and Luke could kidnap the dog and maybe take it over to Cooter's garage for hiding out. Daisy could go by and feed it until Boss Hogg comes looking for those Duke boys and they have to outrun him and Enos in the General Lee.

If that doesn't work, find a roadkill skunk and toss it to the dog. Repeat until they keep the dog inside.
This is pretty accurate.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Still not sure what I'm going to do. Think I'll call the city/county/state's attorney again and see what happens.
In the mean time I'm going to quit carrying the Halt and start carrying my cop strength pepper spray. If bowser slips up again and gets too close he's going to get a dose of some strong "condiment".
The dog ain't dumb. Last night when he first came after me, he had the element of surprise and he got pretty darn close. When I came back he knew I saw him and he kept his distance.

I'm still open to suggestions.
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Have someone take a video of the dog chasing you.
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<<<The dog is back. It chased me tonight, and it came out of nowhere, like it did the time we crashed.>>>



In some ways I am talking thru my helmet (i wear one) because all dog problems I have had, over the years, have been resolved or just ceased....I count myself lucky. But I have come very close on a number of occasions in country/rural areas of WMass where I ride alot.

That dog is endangering your life. Its that simple. Write a letter to the owner, with a copy to the chief of police, a town council member, the dog officer if there is one, and a local newspaper reporter. Make them certified letters. Don't end with a threat...just end with "I am sure this problem will be eliminated promptly. ."

From there I doubt any jury--were it to even go that far---would care a tinkers cuss if ya blew the dog away. In fact a good lawyer could sue on your behalf for neglect.

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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
If Sheriff Coltrane isn't willing to help you with Cletus's dog, I'd see go see if Bo and Luke could kidnap the dog and maybe take it over to Cooter's garage for hiding out. Daisy could go by and feed it until Boss Hogg comes looking for those Duke boys and they have to outrun him and Enos in the General Lee.

If that doesn't work, find a roadkill skunk and toss it to the dog. Repeat until they keep the dog inside.
I read a similar post that I can't find now in foo where the dog got his fur died some bright colors and then tied back up in his yard. That solved the problem.
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Slow down a bit, let the mutt think it's going to catch you. Make him chase you farther each ride. Pretty soon it will get lost far from home. Problem solved.
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Do you think you would be able to snap some pictures? A nice tall stack of pictures showing how often you put up with this (and how often owners are violating the leash law) might go a long way towards convincing someone who writes you off as a whiny nuisance cyclist.

Whereabouts are you in Illinois? I'm a displaced Illinoisan, and though Austin is very bike friendly, I miss the terrain I used to ride.
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https://www.animallaw.info/statutes/s...cs5_1_72_1.htm

And here is the paydirt: "Dangerous dog" means (i) any individual dog anywhere other than upon the property of the owner or custodian of the dog and unmuzzled, unleashed, or unattended by its owner or custodian that behaves in a manner that a reasonable person would believe poses a serious and unjustified imminent threat of serious physical injury or death to a person or a companion animal or (ii) a dog that, without justification, bites a person and does not cause serious physical injury.

If Sheriff Coltrane or the Dog Whisperer can't solve your problem, Smith & Wesson will.

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Have you tried going someone above that local gov't...like a representative?

When the cash for clunkers program started, I was in the midst of transferring my title to Illinois from Georgia. The title had been pending with the DMV for weeks. The local offices said that there was no way I would get the title in time. I was a little ticked that I was going to penalized, by missing out on getting $4500 for my van, because the state was behind on their work.

After contacting Aaron Schock's office, not even speaking to the him directly, they rushed the title and I had it two days later and a new car a day or two after that. It is worth a try.

Additionally, when I was a state employee in GA, a complaint was put in by one of my client's because I didn't give him a favorable outcome in his Medicaid case. I got a call from a representative's office within hours of his complaint. FYI, he wasn't giving me the information that I requested of him...turned out he had a sizable savings account he was hiding from us. He withheld that information when he contacted the representative.
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You folks are ignoring that the dog is backed up by the local pols/cops-most of the suggestions are "get cops farther upstream to help you."The first thing the upstream cops/lawyers will do is call the locals, and the locals will say,"this guy is a crank, the dog hasn't bitten anyone etc."
If he shoots the dog, or the dog disappears, the owner will absolutely know who did it.Many dogs owners-especially low lifes-will shoot you, or screw with your car etc for shooting their dog.
You really don't want to get into a situation where you are shooting the dog-unless he is Cujo.

Has this dog bitten anyone? Chased anyone else-Bad neighborhood dog-bites the kids etc?
All dogs-almost all-will chase a bike. The owner has to prevent this.If he won't you need to do something that doesn't bring the local hick cops down on you.
I would try milk bones, and eventual buddy up to the dog-cheap, effective.
Now if he is CUJO(pit bull with bad attitude etc)-all bets are off. Normal mutt- it will work.

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Buy a gas mask from your army surplus store. Wear it when you are near where that dog always chase you at. Spray pepper spray all around your shoes and pants by the ankle. Now go chase the dog instead.
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the owner's insurance paid my medical bills and then some.
Odds are that the dog's owner still has the same insurance company. Try sending a registered letter to them, stating the facts -- dog is back, allowed to run loose, chases you, etc. Thank them for their efforts last time and tell them that you hope it doesn't become a pattern. Insurance company may talk to their insured.

In the mean time, be cautious around the dog. And, bear spray has a better range than the Halt.

Does doggie approach you when you are a pedestrian?
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Sling shot, 3/8" steel shot. Took care of my dog issue first time around.
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aren't you one o' them small gov't right wingers? you're on your own buddy!
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