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Old 02-26-10, 06:40 AM
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Police dashcam shows cop running over cyclist

Part of a long-running issue in Pensacola, the police have released a dashcam video of an officer's car hitting and killing a teenager who refused to stop while in his bike. I don't know much of the background on this.
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Old 02-26-10, 08:36 AM
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Looked to me like the kid was in the middle of a fall as the officer was making his left to intercept..
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Old 02-26-10, 08:45 AM
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clearly an accident to me. looks like the kid fell and the cop drove over him by accident because he was turning and couldn't stop in time.

yes, the cop was an idiot
yes, the kid was an idiot

but the cop clearly didn't intentionally knock him down or intentionally drive over him

just terrible all the way around

this is gonna be a huge problem for that town especially it the cop is white

what was that clicking sound? did the cop try to taze him?
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Old 02-26-10, 08:56 AM
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It is almost always going to be a good idea to stop when the cops tell you to do so. This is a great, practical example of that.
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Old 02-26-10, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
clearly an accident to me.
Are you nuts?

A cop driving that recklessly gets into an easily forseeable situation and it's an accident?

It's unfortunate. It's unintentional. But it sure as heck ain't no accident.
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Old 02-26-10, 09:04 AM
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if it wasn't intentional then it was an accident. a stupid stupid accident. not sure this is worth arguing about though. we agree on pretty much everything else I think
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Old 02-26-10, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur View Post
Are you nuts?

A cop driving that recklessly gets into an easily forseeable situation and it's an accident?

It's unfortunate. It's unintentional. But it sure as heck ain't no accident.
Yeah, easily foreseeable consequences elevate this from "I had an accident" to "I behaved recklessly and caused an accident". Cop chases are unfortunately well-engrained in the american psyche but they should be rare and undertaken with caution .... otherwise people end up killed, sometimes people not even actually part of the chase.
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The LEO was being more dangerous to the general public than the cyclist he was pursuing. If this was done here in my area, the LEO would have been put on leave with his actions subject to review.
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Do we know why the young cyclist was being pursued? Was he armed? Had he just killed someone? Was he suspected of a rolling stop?
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WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC

You don't chase a person on a bike as you would chase a person in a car.

Keeping a bit more of a distance would have been a better choice and maybe being more patient and calling for help, including some cops on foot.

This is a very unfortunate "incident" that should be blamed on cop's inexperience and impatience.

Clearly this video should be shown to every cop as a training material.


EDIT: http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/dash...in-teens-death


"The whole incident was caught on dash cam video. Thursday, the video was released. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement said officer Gerald Ard was on patrol when he noticed the teenager on the bike. He tried to stop him because he seemed suspicious."

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i do believe he was trying to taze him out the window while this was going on. it was all over the news a few months ago.

actually, here it is from PNJ:
The audio picks up the sound and the video a faint flash of the Taser gun Ard fired while driving out the window of his police cruiser.
The Taser pierced the clothing, but it didn’t puncture Steen’s skin, the medical examiner testified.

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Does anyone have a Firefox NoScript-friendly video player for the whole clip? Can't stand these news sites with their unreliable embedded flash players and half a million ads that get caught by NoScript.

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THAT is very disturbing. WTF???

a cop RAN OVER A BICYCLIST on an adrenaline fueled cop-rage pursuit based on nothing more than 'he looked suspicious'.

this is a clear case of cop-rage.
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Old 02-26-10, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by spock View Post
WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC

You don't chase a person on a bike as you would chase a person in a car.

Keeping a bit more of a distance would have been a better choice and maybe being more patient and calling for help, including some cops on foot.

This is a very unfortunate "incident" that should be blamed on cop's inexperience and impatience.

Clearly this video should be shown to every cop as a training material.


EDIT: http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/dash...in-teens-death


"The whole incident was caught on dash cam video. Thursday, the video was released. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement said officer Gerald Ard was on patrol when he noticed the teenager on the bike. He tried to stop him because he seemed suspicious."
I agree with your assessment. I have to wonder what had the kid done that required such pursuit?
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
I agree with your assessment. I have to wonder what had the kid done that required such pursuit?
You don't have to wonder. The cop said that he looked suspicious.

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sounds like profiling to me. wonder what else is in this cops records ...
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
I agree with your assessment. I have to wonder what had the kid done that required such pursuit?
The kid tried to get away????
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Originally Posted by Kerlenbach View Post
Part of a long-running issue in Pensacola, the police have released a dashcam video of an officer's car hitting and killing a teenager who refused to stop while in his bike. I don't know much of the background on this.
Wasn't there something posted about this here shortly after it happened? Does anyone know what the kid was accused of?
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
clearly an accident to me. looks like the kid fell and the cop drove over him by accident because he was turning and couldn't stop in time.

yes, the cop was an idiot
yes, the kid was an idiot

but the cop clearly didn't intentionally knock him down or intentionally drive over him

just terrible all the way around

this is gonna be a huge problem for that town especially it the cop is white

what was that clicking sound? did the cop try to taze him?
According to the article, yes he did.
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur View Post
Are you nuts?

A cop driving that recklessly gets into an easily foreseeable situation and it's an accident?

It's unfortunate. It's unintentional. But it sure as heck ain't no accident.
I have to agree with you, the way that the cop was driving and chasing the kid a crash was the foreseeable outcome. I almost expected to see the cop trying to ram the kid with his car.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
Wasn't there something posted about this here shortly after it happened? Does anyone know what the kid was accused of?
being suspicious. he was by some construction equipment from what i read in the article.
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Originally Posted by spock View Post
WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC

You don't chase a person on a bike as you would chase a person in a car.

Keeping a bit more of a distance would have been a better choice and maybe being more patient and calling for help, including some cops on foot.

This is a very unfortunate "incident" that should be blamed on cop's inexperience and impatience.

Clearly this video should be shown to every cop as a training material.


EDIT: http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/dash...in-teens-death


"The whole incident was caught on dash cam video. Thursday, the video was released. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement said officer Gerald Ard was on patrol when he noticed the teenager on the bike. He tried to stop him because he seemed suspicious."
Why did he "seem suspicious?" Because he was a black kid riding his bike at night? Had there been a radio call that came in earlier that we didn't hear about a person on a bike who robbed someone or something?
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once again, from PNJ (LINK):

The video shows Ards attempts to stop Steen along West Cervantes Street. Ard was on patrol in the Brownsville neighborhood at about 2 a.m. when he spotted Steen between two pieces of construction equipment at a Dollar General construction site.
Ard said he was trying decide whether to investigate what Steen was doing at the site, or whether to continue his investigation into a known prostitute he had seen in the area.
I thought he might be trying to take something from the equipment, Ard told investigators.
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Could have been as simple as breaking curfew.
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Originally Posted by jco1385 View Post
being suspicious. he was by some construction equipment from what i read in the article.
Was he previously just riding by said construction equipment or was he off of his bike rummaging around said construction equipment? Had someone called the police to report suspicious activity? Or was the kid just taking a shortcut through the construction site? And what made the cop think that trying to shot a moving target from a moving vehicle with a taser gun was a smart idea? Granted it was ineffective, but still not a very bright idea, but better then if the cop had shot at the kid with his gun.
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