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Old 10-04-10, 09:29 AM
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If you want better biking in the U.S., sign the PFB pledge!

Do you want better bike lanes, paths and policies? Do you want safer biking in your area?
If so, the Peopleforbikes.org pledge is for you.

Peopleforbikes.org is striving to united one million voices to advance bicycling in America. The campaign, which launched in April, has already generated more than 100,000 pledges. From the casual ride to the avid bicyclist, Americans everywhere want safe, appealing and convenient places to rude - and Peopleforbikes.org will be the conduit that ensures this message will be heard. This message will be especially important as Congress considers the renewal of the federal transportation bill the largest single source for bicycling funding. Renewal of the bill could come as early as December of this year.

We're making our world a better place to ride. Let the world know you're for bikes. Sign the pledge at www.peopleforbikes.org.
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What are you doing that the LAB isn't doing already?

I don't see the need to duplicate efforts.
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looks legit, i think i've previously signed the pledge for this one though

skye, what is LAB?
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From the site: "
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Support peopleforbikes.org so we can continue to work for better bicycling infrastructure, increased funding for bike initiatives, and more. Every dollar
you contribute to the movement will go toward improving biking in our country.



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I find the bolded statement suspiciously. Every organization has some overhead. Either the folks running this are inexperienced or lying. It would also be nice if they explained HOW they intend to spend the donations. I would advise caution before donating...
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Originally Posted by mustachiod View Post
looks legit, i think i've previously signed the pledge for this one though

skye, what is LAB?
http://www.bikeleague.org/

This is a well respected group that has been around for awhile.
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Originally Posted by skye View Post
What are you doing that the LAB isn't doing already?

I don't see the need to duplicate efforts.
The LAB isn't a dedicated lobbying organization. People For Bikes is Bikes Belong, the bicycle industry's lobbying organization, attempt to look populist. I'm guessing the bicycle industry hopes that if enough MUPs are built using other people's money, their sales will turn around.
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Originally Posted by PFBSarahMurer View Post
Do you want better bike lanes, paths and policies? Do you want safer biking in your area?
If so, the Peopleforbikes.org pledge is for you.

Peopleforbikes.org is striving to united one million voices to advance bicycling in America. The campaign, which launched in April, has already generated more than 100,000 pledges. From the casual ride to the avid bicyclist, Americans everywhere want safe, appealing and convenient places to rude - and Peopleforbikes.org will be the conduit that ensures this message will be heard. This message will be especially important as Congress considers the renewal of the federal transportation bill the largest single source for bicycling funding. Renewal of the bill could come as early as December of this year.

We're making our world a better place to ride. Let the world know you're for bikes. Sign the pledge at www.peopleforbikes.org.
Your group offers only vague generalizations about your goals.

As there are well-designed bicycle facilities and poorly designed ones, how can we tell your people know the difference? A lot of advocates don't.

If you spend money and energy advocating for problematic types of facilites, and fail to recognize or advocate for more effective types of facilities, your group could easily do more harm than good to bicycling in this country. Could you be more specific about what you want?
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Old 10-04-10, 11:33 AM
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Signed the pledge back when you were giving away bikes.

Thanks for the Breezer!
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Before I donate, do you have a budget and financials that we can see?
How about some specific goals and objectives other than sound bites?
I'd like to get an idea of exactly where & how my money is being used before committing.
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A quickie whois search shows that the peopleforbikes.org domain is owned by Colle & McVoy, an ad agency whose clients include Old Navy, Land o' Lakes and the Recreational Boating and Fishing Foundation....and the Bikes Belong Coalition.
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Damn! Double posted! Great minds really do think alike.

Originally Posted by SCROUDS View Post
Whois Record for peopleforbikes.org:

Domain ID157711749-LROR
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Created On:30-Nov-2009 21:33:53 UTC
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Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
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Registrant City:Minneapolis
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Registrant Phone:+1.612305600
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Originally Posted by Zizka View Post
The LAB isn't a dedicated lobbying organization. People For Bikes is Bikes Belong, the bicycle industry's lobbying organization, attempt to look populist. I'm guessing the bicycle industry hopes that if enough MUPs are built using other people's money, their sales will continue to be stellar.
Fixed that for ya.
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Ahem, signing a pledge isn't donating. And who cares who's paying for it, or why, if what they're doing is getting a long list of people who ride or want to ride.
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Originally Posted by crhilton View Post
Ahem, signing a pledge isn't donating. And who cares who's paying for it, or why, if what they're doing is getting a long list of people who ride or want to ride.
creating a mailing list has value ($) to a marketing agency. I suspect that is the real reason they are collecting a list of people. I suspect it will increase junk mail for the folks who "sign"
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Originally Posted by RobertHurst View Post
Your group offers only vague generalizations about your goals.

As there are well-designed bicycle facilities and poorly designed ones, how can we tell your people know the difference? A lot of advocates don't.

If you spend money and energy advocating for problematic types of facilites, and fail to recognize or advocate for more effective types of facilities, your group could easily do more harm than good to bicycling in this country. Could you be more specific about what you want?
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Originally Posted by crhilton View Post
Fixed that for ya.
You're right. The bicycle industry only lost nearly a quarter of their customers over the last 15 years. Sales are great.

Regardless my point still stands. The bicycle industry needs to bribe a few new congresscritters to keep the federal money flowing to build MUPs. This is their way of doing it.
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Originally Posted by Zizka View Post
You're right. The bicycle industry only lost nearly a quarter of their customers over the last 15 years. Sales are great.

Regardless my point still stands. The bicycle industry needs to bribe a few new congresscritters to keep the federal money flowing to build MUPs. This is their way of doing it.
It's about profit not number of people who ride 6 times a year (their definition of cyclist). You can sell $400 hybrids at a profit of maybe $100 for a very long time before you make up for that $6k Madone at a profit of almost $3k. And that high end market seems to have grown a lot since 1993.

Aside from ideology I could care less if they're lobbying congress. So are the coffin makers. I'm not gonna cripple my side over ideology that's not represented in our laws.
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Judging from Ms. Murer's silence (she's the office admin for Bikes Belong, BTW), I would guess that PeopleForBikes is not terribly invested in outreach. Quickie way to gather emails for marketing. Bah.
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A lot of big fancy words, no facts, so what's it all in the end? One big nothing. It would serve people much much better to just get out and ride to increase our presence on the roads, then to sign some online petitions that aren't really petitions. I kinda doubt that OP will be coming back here, it sounds rather like an automatic copy/paste message that they plaster over various forums and such. In short - nothing important.

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I signed the pledge quite a while ago. I didn't start getting tons of spam emails or anything.

Gosh you guys are paranoid.

From their privacy policy:
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Rest assured that we won’t share your email address, mailing address, or other personal information with any other company or organization. You may receive periodic emails or mailings from us with news about peopleforbikes.org. If you ever want to be taken off our mailing list, just let us know and we’ll remove you promptly.

We may provide compilations of the sign up pledge participants to national leaders in order to influence decisions that will improve the future of bicycling, but we will always do so without disclosing email addresses.
Now if they did sell your email address, that would be a huge violation of federal law. Doubt they would do that.

By the way, you guys didn't need to search whois records to find out they're affiliated with Bikes Belong. The bottom of the website says "An initiative of Bikes Belong".

I'd assume donations would go to Bikes Belong.
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Originally Posted by whitecat View Post
A lot of big fancy words, no facts, so what's it all in the end? One big nothing. It would serve people much much better to just get out and ride to increase our presence on the roads, then to sign some online petitions that aren't really petitions. I kinda doubt that OP will be coming back here, it sounds rather like an automatic copy/paste message that they plaster over various forums and such. In short - nothing important.
It was probably not automatic, but a copy/pasted message yes. And I think it's a fine post to make.

It is just a bunch of words. Probably some of the same bunch of words that put the idea of cycling in your mind or my mind at some point. We, humans, live in a society and communication (words) are very important to making societal change. So, "just a bunch of words" is a silly thing to say.
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I don't take well to mass/automated messages. Makes me feel like some kind of a clone or something and not an actual human being. So if you want to get to me for anything, don't post stuff like that, because that will make sure I will NOT do anything you asked. Posting a copy/paste message and not responding later, and making it a first post reeks too much of spam to me. I've been long enough on this net (since BBS ruled the net), to discount anything like that automatically as spam. See, it fits nicely, it is posted and forgot about, from my end it is read, erased and forgotten, serves it well I think. Bottom line, if they want some kind of positive response they better make some sincere effort, people will recognize and appreciate that. This, not so much. Because it is for a cycling goal does not mean I will automatically embrace it without thinking about it. In interaction with words, you need to think how do you come over to others, in what sense. If you seem rude and oblivious, like making the least amount of effort possible, and then forgetting about it, then that is what will you get in return - almost without fail, almost nothing valuable.
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Originally Posted by mikeshoup View Post
I signed the pledge quite a while ago. I didn't start getting tons of spam emails or anything.

Gosh you guys are paranoid.

From their privacy policy:

Now if they did sell your email address, that would be a huge violation of federal law. Doubt they would do that.

By the way, you guys didn't need to search whois records to find out they're affiliated with Bikes Belong. The bottom of the website says "An initiative of Bikes Belong".

I'd assume donations would go to Bikes Belong.

It's not my paranoia, it's their disingenuity. My first question stands: What are they doing that other organizations aren't doing already? Dilution, duplication and discoordination of effort are the biggest problems for minority advocacy groups.

And they don't need to break the law to share those addresses with companies that want to market to you. You give your email to PFB or Bikes Belong, you're giving your email to Giant, Trek, Nashbar, Performance, Bell....ad nauseum. Because those companies comprise Bikes Belong. Which may be fine, nothing wrong with getting ads from companies you like to buy from. What I object to is the blatant collection of marketing data dressed up like advocacy.
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all the local bike advocacy groups I know try and collect info to build their mailing list every time they provide bike parking at an event, coordinate bike commute month, participate in a ciclovia day event, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
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