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Old 10-15-10, 02:35 PM
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safer helmets

Do any of you know if there are safer helmets than just the regular bike helmet. They seem to be pretty much all the same, some with more holes than others. I guess all helmets have to comply with CSPC (at least in the US), but are there any helmets that exceed CPSC, maybe a stricter voluntary test or something? Are there helmets that comply with multiple safety standards (like skiing, skating and cycling). And is that even advisable?
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How about this one?
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How about this one?
Only for protecting Einstein's brains
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Some helmets meet the stricter Snell standards. Here is the full list: http://www.smf.org/certlist/std_B-90...90C_B-95C.html
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Old 10-15-10, 06:18 PM
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You mean you need one that's certified for taking showers as well as walking down the street?
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This one is pretty rad:

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This may be what you're looking for:


http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=45391

It's a regular helmet with the addition of a removable chinguard to protect the face during a crash. I started wearing one after I talked to a maxillofacial surgeon who said that his worst cases of mangled, broken jaws and faces were roadies who crashed while wearing regular helmets. It's very lightweight, fully vented, and I think pretty cool looking the same way that full-face helmets have a sort of aggressive look to them.
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Old 10-16-10, 06:31 AM
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This helmet is far more protective (although the accompanying suit may be a tad restrictive)

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Old 10-16-10, 09:39 AM
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If you're worried about serious neurological injury, there isn't really a helmet that can help you:

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...cyclists-20250

In this case, Mr Smith, who was 51 at the time, was involved in a collision with a Yahama 600cc motorcycle in Brightlingsea, Essex, while on his way to an amateur operatics rehearsal in June 2005. He wasn't wearing a helmet and suffered serious head injuries, leaving him with no recollection of the accident .

He claimed damages from the motorcyclist, Michael Finch, for personal injuries, and the biker then brought a counterclaim, claiming that Mr Smith was liable for his own injuries because he had a helmet but had not worn it. The court heard Mr Smith considered the area around his home in Brightlingsea to be safe so he only wore his helmet for longer journeys.

Mr Justice Griffith Williams found the motorcyclist primarily liable, saying that on the balance of probabilities Mr Finch, who was 26 at the time of the crash, had been speeding and riding too close to Mr Smith as he tried to overtake. The judge then considered whether Mr Smith had contributed to his own injuries by failing to wear a helmet. He heard that Mr Smith's injuries were caused both by him hitting the back of his head on the ground and also from rapid rotation of the skull as he came off his bike, causing blood vessels to rupture.

Helmet expert Dr Bryan Chinn examined Mr Smith's helmet, which was about 20 years old, and told the court that neither that model nor a more modern one would have prevented Mr Smith's injuries because he hit the ground in excess of 12mph. He said the scalloped shape of most modern helmets would not have prevented Mr Smith's injuries, given the location of the impact on the back of his head.
Dr Chinn's (inventor of the Chin Strap??) opinion was accepted by the court. Helmets are good only for protecting against the very superficial injuries that can result from a low speed fall. If you hit the ground at speed, they're not likely to help - and if you are hit by a motor vehicle (which is the case in virtually all serious injuries) then you may well have sustained serious brain damage before you head hits the ground, even if it doesn't hit the vehicle.

Otoh, there's only one cycling death for every 2 million miles ridden in the UK - and most deaths are suffered by cyclists who ride at night without lights or the wrong way in traffic, etc - so I wouldn't worry.
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"the biker then brought a counterclaim, claiming that Mr Smith was liable for his own injuries because he had a helmet but had not worn it."
Hilarious.

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Hilarious.
not as hilarious as your response to:

Helmet expert Dr Bryan Chinn examined Mr Smith's helmet... and told the court that neither that model nor a more modern one would have prevented Mr Smith's injuries
In another court challenge a family sued a helmet manufacturer for the injuries their son suffered while wearing a helmet and lost.

Hockey helmet suit dismissed in B.C.

The judge ruled there were several warnings attached to the helmet itself, which informed consumers that serious injury may occur despite its use.

In his written decision, Mr. Justice Malcolm Macaulay found Darren was aware that people suffer head injuries, even when wearing a helmet.
People ignore the warnings all the time

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Thanks to all who replied with serious answers and suggestions.

I thought a subforum with "Safety" in it's title would be the appropriate place for a question like that.

With a very large selection of helmets one can not be faulted for hoping that the core functionality (protecting the head) would be a major component in trying to get a competitive advantage. But I guess not.
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Old 10-16-10, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JPprivate View Post
Thanks to all who replied with serious answers and suggestions.

I thought a subforum with "Safety" in it's title would be the appropriate place for a question like that.

With a very large selection of helmets one can not be faulted for hoping that the core functionality (protecting the head) would be a major component in trying to get a competitive advantage. But I guess not.
With the current crop of jokers active on this webpage, it's a wonder that you got as many constructive responses as you did. It's no wonder that in the advocacy forum, the thread, "What did YOU do for bicycling today?" is rarely kept current.
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Old 10-17-10, 01:54 AM
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http://www.bhsi.org/

That is the link to the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute.
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Old 10-17-10, 05:30 AM
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You can find independent research at a site *not* funded by the helmet industry (the BHSI site is fueled by helmet makers) here:

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/
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Originally Posted by Leo H. View Post
With the current crop of jokers active on this webpage, it's a wonder that you got as many constructive responses as you did. It's no wonder that in the advocacy forum, the thread, "What did YOU do for bicycling today?" is rarely kept current.
Hey, every day I help someone discover that cycling *is* safe and you *don't* need helmets, that's a good day for cycling advocacy. It's like a virus, it will get passed on.
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Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
http://www.bhsi.org/

That is the link to the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute.
Some people do not wear bike helmets. Don't let that stop you. You need one when you ride your bike. They do too, but they just don't know it yet. Don't let them ride their bikes unless they wear their helmets.

The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute supports carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age groups because we believe they are needed to raise awareness that helmets save lives...

We still see messages on helmets in Internet newsgroups that fall under the heading "helmet wars." They are mostly to or from a group of about a dozen people who oppose helmet laws.
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Originally Posted by JPprivate View Post

With a very large selection of helmets one can not be faulted for hoping that the core functionality (protecting the head) would be a major component in trying to get a competitive advantage. But I guess not.
This is an excellent point. The problem is that manufacturers don't have a motivation to aim for higher levels of protection, because although there are several different cert levels they are set low, all are obscure, and they are quite similar to each other. My solution would be a new testing regime where each helmet would be given an MPH rating, plus a bonus star for anti-rotation features and face protection.

Another point to be aware of: helmet cert tests are done with helmets cherry picked by their makers. In the past testing random samples has given some alarming results.
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Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
http://www.bhsi.org/

That is the link to the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute.
..A pressure group run by an individual of no relevant expertise and drawing upon mysterious sources of funding.

Otoh, this site is edited by professional helmet engineers and statisticians: www.cyclehelmets.org
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Originally Posted by skye View Post
You can find independent research at a site *not* funded by the helmet industry (the BHSI site is fueled by helmet makers) here:

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/
The BHSI says that it doesn't take money from helmet makers but nothing else about its funding. As someone who has worked around the fringes of lobbying and political PR I read this as "We're not stupid enough to take money directly from helmet companies but hey, if their executives donate, or their people who work for their lobbyists do so, then it's none of your business." This is how astroturf campaigns are usually run.
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The BHSI says that it doesn't take money from helmet makers but nothing else about its funding. As someone who has worked around the fringes of lobbying and political PR I read this as "We're not stupid enough to take money directly from helmet companies but hey, if their executives donate, or their people who work for their lobbyists do so, then it's none of your business." This is how astroturf campaigns are usually run.
and in researching the Snell Foundation's funding of the oft-quoted, infamous, TRT Seattle area "study" claiming an 85% reduction in head injuries for my newspaper, I came across a similar situation.

I found a source who worked worked with Bell and Snell who claimed Bell funded Snells funding of the study. Snell confirmed funding, but not the amount. For some reason, they couldn't find the actual records that would confirm the extent of the funding.

Snell flatly admitted the funding of the study was done for the promotion of their standard, that the study was designed to show their standards were effective.
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My only thought on wearing a helmet is that my inner inhibitions are stopping me from really cutting loose on the type of design from what I wear currently.

(I secretly admire this one local cyclist's horned, fur rimmed lined, padded leather viking helmet with matching cape)
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Originally Posted by skye View Post
You can find independent research at a site *not* funded by the helmet industry (the BHSI site is fueled by helmet makers) here:

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

On the BHSI site (http://www.bhsi.org/helmet10.htm) under Bern: " Some of them use Brock Foam, a formulation that provides multi-impact protection, but those are called hard hats rather than helmets and Bern says they do "not meet the standards for action sport head protection." We don't understand why a company would sell headgear like that, but like any skate helmet manufacturer, Bern has attitude." .... "Bern has a trademarked Zip Mold foam that they say uses liquid injected foam that is molded in the shell and is used in helmets that meet the CPSC bike helmet standard. We have not seen test results on the foam or the helmets, and do not know if the foam is a new advance. "

Not sure about about the influence of the helmet industry, at least not from Bern.

But the site has a lot of statements like "we don't know" and "we haven't tested". Not very helpful.
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Originally Posted by JPprivate View Post

Not sure about about the influence of the helmet industry, at least not from Bern.
Yes, I think we can be sure that Bern isn't a contributor!

But whoever they get their funding from, BHSI print "study results" that have long been disproved - which in my book is lying. The chief one being the famous 85% reduction in head injuries for helmets, which was produced by comparing a group of helmeted children riding under adult supervision in parks with a group riding unsupervised in an inner city ghetto and assuming that the difference was entirely due to helmets... The same study also "proves" - using the same logic - that helmets reduce torso injuries by 79%! If BHSI isn't deliberately dishonest, then the people running it are idiots.

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it also may be of no surprise that Bell Helmets fund groups that push for all-ages helmet legislation

(Enact all-ages helmet legislation in all provinces and territories for all ages...Show your support for all-ages helmet legislation by sending a letter to your local MPP or MLA and the Minister of Transportation in your province or territory!)

and push Bell funded "studies" that perpetrate the 85% Myth

Research shows that a helmet can reduce the chance of head injury by 85 per cent.

and false claims that

79 per cent of Canadians support police enforcement of helmet use.

Can't blame 'em for wanting to sell more helmets than would be sold if the purchases were to be voluntary

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