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Old 10-21-10, 02:56 PM
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so, for all you separated path advocates, answer me this: when that protected bikeway in the photo completely fills up with hazardous wet leaves, who cleans it out?
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Originally Posted by randya View Post

so, for all you separated path advocates, answer me this: when that protected bikeway in the photo completely fills up with hazardous wet leaves, who cleans it out?
The same publicly paid crew that clears gutters, operates street sweepers and other such maintenance items... as part of the same overall plan.

Oh wait, that's right, bikeways are not part of the transportation infrastructure... so parks and rec should take care of these...

oh wait, these are nowhere near a park... uh oh... looks like the motorists' evil plan to rid the world of cyclists through the design of clever hazards is well on the way.

Oh... they're winning... we're doomed... sigh... <melts into steam hole...>
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First person to slip out and fall has to clean them up before they continue on? That sounds fair right?

If I may add, the separated path in the picture looks like it is in an area that doesn't really need a separated path. Tree lined residential avenues shouldn't require anything more than a few sharrows in my opinion, if that. IMO, Separated paths are for bridges and the odd "cycle corridor" through a dense urban area.
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That's why I laugh at the separate facilities crowd. In all of my years living in the northeast, I've never seen a single bike path snow plowed. Not one. In 30 years.

Yo, Rails-to-Trails Boy! C'mon with me, we'll ride through that 10 inches of snow, no problem!
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Old 10-21-10, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by skye View Post
That's why I laugh at the separate facilities crowd. In all of my years living in the northeast, I've never seen a single bike path snow plowed. Not one. In 30 years.

Yo, Rails-to-Trails Boy! C'mon with me, we'll ride through that 10 inches of snow, no problem!
Until roughly 3 years ago Montgomery County Parks Dept. would plow the SRT. They would give about two days of use for those on skis. But I have not seen it cleared in the past 2 years and last winter it was deep in snow and ice. But that was the only one I know of that had been cleared during winter months.

Regarding rail trails. Around here you will see very few people out on bicycles on the SRT in the colder months. We spent the day on the trail on this past Tuesday. Saw very few people on the trail. So it becomes a point of cost of clearing versus how many use the trail. With the leaves turning colors and the cooler days a day on the upper end of the SRT is fantastic. Lots of critters and very few jerks.
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Old 10-21-10, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by skye View Post
That's why I laugh at the separate facilities crowd. In all of my years living in the northeast, I've never seen a single bike path snow plowed. Not one. In 30 years.

Yo, Rails-to-Trails Boy! C'mon with me, we'll ride through that 10 inches of snow, no problem!
Where I am the bikelanes officially have notices on them "Fermé 1er Nov - 31 Mai". La Route Verte (the completely separate bikeway) ends up many feet deep in snow. I borrowed a Surly Puggsley to have a go at it, but decided that that was just too much work (and anyway the skiers don't like it when you mess up the trail).
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Originally Posted by randya View Post

so, for all you separated path advocates, answer me this: when that protected bikeway in the photo completely fills up with hazardous wet leaves, who cleans it out?
The shared pathway leaf removal crew?

Is this a serious question?
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Old 10-22-10, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by randya View Post

so, for all you separated path advocates, answer me this: when that protected bikeway in the photo completely fills up with hazardous wet leaves, who cleans it out?


They're like street sweepers, but designed for bike lanes.....
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Old 10-22-10, 01:24 AM
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Does Zamboni make those? ^

FWIW, the City of Grand Junction, CO Parks Department plows the Class I bikeways when it snows there.
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Old 10-22-10, 07:12 AM
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Does Zamboni make those? ^

FWIW, the City of Grand Junction, CO Parks Department plows the Class I bikeways when it snows there.
Yup... Parks department... cause bikes in America are toys to be used in parks. Bikes aren't for transportation don'tcha know.
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Old 10-22-10, 07:34 AM
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there are some plowed bike paths around State College, PA, but most are not plowed. I am not sure about street sweepers, I never see them on the roads either.
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Old 10-22-10, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RichMac View Post
The shared pathway leaf removal crew?

Is this a serious question?
of course it is. they build this stuff with no thought to the consequences
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What I'd like to know is who is going to fix those grooves that a tire could fall into and put a rider down?
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Originally Posted by randya View Post

so, for all you separated path advocates, answer me this: when that protected bikeway in the photo completely fills up with hazardous wet leaves, who cleans it out?
The town. They go through it with a tractor with a leaf blower attachment.

Oh, I'm not a separated path advocate. But the maintenance of our separated paths is taken care of by the town.

(edit) The town currently doesn't plow them in the winter. I'll be going before the town selectmen in a few weeks to request that they start. There is a good chance that they'll go for it.(/edit)

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The wind eventually clears them out around December or January. Still have to watch out for a few spots where they accumulate pretty much year round.
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Originally Posted by randya View Post
of course it is. they build this stuff with no thought to the consequences
Let me try to understand this again...

Your argument against having separated pathways is that they need to be maintained? That's not really an argument but a statement of fact.

Roadway = maintenance
Sidewalk = maintenance
Bikepath = maintenance
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Originally Posted by RazrSkutr View Post
Where I am the bikelanes officially have notices on them "Fermé 1er Nov - 31 Mai". La Route Verte (the completely separate bikeway) ends up many feet deep in snow. I borrowed a Surly Puggsley to have a go at it, but decided that that was just too much work (and anyway the skiers don't like it when you mess up the trail).
of course you also risk being run over by the snowmobilers who seem to think it's a skidoo trail (at least along the section in Aylmer).
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Originally Posted by skye View Post
That's why I laugh at the separate facilities crowd. In all of my years living in the northeast, I've never seen a single bike path snow plowed. Not one. In 30 years.

Yo, Rails-to-Trails Boy! C'mon with me, we'll ride through that 10 inches of snow, no problem!
Not that I am an advocate for separate facilities in all instances, but my main commuter trail is plowed all winter by the city at the same time as major roads.

My biggest complaint about leaves are people who use their damnable leaf blowers to drive them into my path on the street.
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In Western Illinois and Eastern Iowa volunteers do some MUP cleaning beyond what is provided by various municipalities.
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Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
Until roughly 3 years ago Montgomery County Parks Dept. would plow the SRT. They would give about two days of use for those on skis. But I have not seen it cleared in the past 2 years and last winter it was deep in snow and ice. But that was the only one I know of that had been cleared during winter months.

Regarding rail trails. Around here you will see very few people out on bicycles on the SRT in the colder months. We spent the day on the trail on this past Tuesday. Saw very few people on the trail. So it becomes a point of cost of clearing versus how many use the trail. With the leaves turning colors and the cooler days a day on the upper end of the SRT is fantastic. Lots of critters and very few jerks.
SRT is not ringing any bells at the moment but last year due to budget cuts they claimed since they did not have enough money to clear all the trails they would not clear any of them. MoBike tried to get some action on this but nothing came of it.
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