Motorist Messes with the Wrong Cyclist-Arrested for Attempted Assault of Off Duty Cop
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Motorist Messes with the Wrong Cyclist-Arrested for Attempted Assault of Off Duty Cop
A Portland Police Bureau Sergeant who was riding his bike into work yesterday morning was involved in an altercation with a man driving a car that has resulted in the driver being arrested for hit and run and attempted assault.
Busted!
Larry Fornshell's booking photo
Full Story: https://bikeportland.org/2011/03/23/o...nto-work-50107
The cops do tend to look out for their own....
Busted!
Larry Fornshell's booking photo
Full Story: https://bikeportland.org/2011/03/23/o...nto-work-50107
The cops do tend to look out for their own....
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The sad thing is that as some of the comments had said is that if Mr. Santos was a civilian instead of cop that probably nothing or next to nothing would have been done to the driver. And that the cyclist is the one who would have been cited for slapping the car.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
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DC, you're 100% right... but we both know how far that goes up the scale of "who cares?" As long as people measure a fellow traveler's worth by horsepower, we are gonna be off the back.
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The sad thing is that as some of the comments had said is that if Mr. Santos was a civilian instead of cop that probably nothing or next to nothing would have been done to the driver. And that the cyclist is the one who would have been cited for slapping the car.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
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The sad thing is that as some of the comments had said is that if Mr. Santos was a civilian instead of cop that probably nothing or next to nothing would have been done to the driver. And that the cyclist is the one who would have been cited for slapping the car.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
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The sad thing is also that cases like that "good" doctor out in LA are actually flukes. But one has to be as brazen as that "good" doctor was before anyone will sit up and take notice and do what's right.
I also liked the comment from one of the people who posted who said what we've said hundreds IF not thousands of times. That is that people like Mr. Fornstall should not only have their license taken, but should be made to ride a bicycle for transportation.
Also as we've said before as part of the requirement to get a drivers license people should have to ride a bicycle as transportation. I'd say for at least a year so that they can get a real feel for what it is that cyclists have to deal with on a daily basis.
Thank you all. It was also nice to see so many of the commenters standing up for cyclist rights. I wonder how many of them are full time drivers and how long their conviction will last when they're on the road behind a "slow" cyclist who is causing them to be "late?"
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Great story, great thread -- thanks for posting.
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"Also as we've said before as part of the requirement to get a drivers license people should have to ride a bicycle as transportation. I'd say for at least a year so that they can get a real feel for what it is that cyclists have to deal with on a daily basis." -- Digital Cowboy
Better yet, DC, one month out of EVERY year!
Better yet, DC, one month out of EVERY year!
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That is that people like Mr. Fornstall should not only have their license taken, but should be made to ride a bicycle for transportation.
Also as we've said before as part of the requirement to get a drivers license people should have to ride a bicycle as transportation. I'd say for at least a year so that they can get a real feel for what it is that cyclists have to deal with on a daily basis.
Also as we've said before as part of the requirement to get a drivers license people should have to ride a bicycle as transportation. I'd say for at least a year so that they can get a real feel for what it is that cyclists have to deal with on a daily basis.
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"Also as we've said before as part of the requirement to get a drivers license people should have to ride a bicycle as transportation. I'd say for at least a year so that they can get a real feel for what it is that cyclists have to deal with on a daily basis." -- Digital Cowboy
Better yet, DC, one month out of EVERY year!
Better yet, DC, one month out of EVERY year!
There's an idea, or we could replace their handlebars with Pain Sticks. ;-)
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Oh the irony... that this thread pops up while the Conflicts are Rare thread is still around.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...licts-are-Rare
Sure conflicts are rare, but when they reach this level of intensity... sure would be nice to have a bunch of cop buddies out there to enforce the laws for us two wheelers.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...licts-are-Rare
Sure conflicts are rare, but when they reach this level of intensity... sure would be nice to have a bunch of cop buddies out there to enforce the laws for us two wheelers.
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I wonder if this will change any attitudes on the PPB... when other cyclists make similar claims.
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Down here in Eugene, the cops will only ride bikes under two conditions:
1.) they are on patrol in uniform, mostly riding on bike paths and sidewalks.
2.) they go out in a group with a uniform in front and behind. They find it too dangerous to ride alone (yes, a cop who cycles told me this).
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I used to have a contact like this in PPB back in the 90s and a reasonably detailed incident report with a vehicle license number, driver description and details of the incident would at a minimum get the registered vehicle owner a phone call with a lecture and a warning from the officer.
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Actually, it's great to know a cop you can talk to or file incident reports with for issues like cyclist harassment; and if police departments were serious about clamping down on harassment of cyclists they would specifically assign an officer to this task and make his contact info known to the cycling community.
I used to have a contact like this in PPB back in the 90s and a reasonably detailed incident report with a vehicle license number, driver description and details of the incident would at a minimum get the registered vehicle owner a phone call with a lecture and a warning from the officer.
I used to have a contact like this in PPB back in the 90s and a reasonably detailed incident report with a vehicle license number, driver description and details of the incident would at a minimum get the registered vehicle owner a phone call with a lecture and a warning from the officer.
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More recently, a friend of mine was knocked into a ditch by a guy leaning out of a car window. The responding officer asked, "why did he do it?" and seemed like he had no clue that people harassed cyclists. Maybe if one of his co-workers had been assualted he wouldn't have been so surprised.
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The sad thing is that as some of the comments had said is that if Mr. Santos was a civilian instead of cop that probably nothing or next to nothing would have been done to the driver. And that the cyclist is the one who would have been cited for slapping the car.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
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cops should ride undercover along popular bike commute routes
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I've wondered why they don't do this for awhile (maybe logistically difficult, since making a stop might require radioing ahead if they can't catch them?). It would be a really good way to identify the most aggressive and/or inattentative drivers on the road. Getting them off the road would benefit motorists as well as cyclists, because I'd bet a lot of them are aggressive towards other motorists, too.
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Wow, again a thread involving a HNR getting his due and you guys still find some negativity in it.
How about, "Awesome! The HNR got caught and there's a cop that commutes via bike. Super cool!".
And the reason a lot of cops don't ride commute routes/mups is that the departments are already stretched thin (the vast majority of LE agencies are 50 officers or less - look up the Dept of Justice stats). Most of you really have no idea how much work LEO's actually do. Besides, I know quite a few LEO's around these parts that drive (very slowly) the MUPS at night.
How about, "Awesome! The HNR got caught and there's a cop that commutes via bike. Super cool!".
And the reason a lot of cops don't ride commute routes/mups is that the departments are already stretched thin (the vast majority of LE agencies are 50 officers or less - look up the Dept of Justice stats). Most of you really have no idea how much work LEO's actually do. Besides, I know quite a few LEO's around these parts that drive (very slowly) the MUPS at night.