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Old 03-30-11, 04:03 PM
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Cyclist Killed in Mass.

The town next to mine. Not much info yet.
https://www.milforddailynews.com/high...-hit-in-Millis
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Old 03-30-11, 08:06 PM
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Upon further info, I expect to eventually hear, that the biker was at fault, as is always the accusation by the police.
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Old 03-31-11, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
Upon further info, I expect to eventually hear, that the biker was at fault, as is always the accusation by the police.
Or not.

"Daley was charged with one count of motor vehicle homicide by negligent operation."

Encouraging. It looks like she (the driver) is being charged because she hit a cyclist that she should have seen and avoided.

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Old 03-31-11, 06:39 AM
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Makes one wonder if cell phone use was involved, or something similarly distracting. As the report states that neither speed, alcohol, or drugs were involved, and yet she was still charged with negligent operation, there must have been something.
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Old 03-31-11, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Namenda View Post
...there must have been something.

Running your vehicle into something or somebody is negligent operation. Talking on a cell phone, being intoxicated, etc. may be contributory factors but not required to be found negligent.
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Old 03-31-11, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Running your vehicle into something or somebody is negligent operation. Talking on a cell phone, being intoxicated, etc. may be contributory factors but not required to be found negligent.
agreed. Should she have run into the rear of another motor vehicle, she would have been charged. Strange that this concept doesn't seem to hit home with most police officers, but it also shouldn't be a surprise when it does.
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^^^
I have to agree. My expectations are pretty low in cases like this, so the fact that the woman was charged is a bit of a surprise.

A couple of years ago a new bike law was passed in Massachusetts. Among other things it was supposed to insure a minimal level of training for police on bicycle specific issues. I wonder if it is having an effect.

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Here's the same article from a different (sister) paper with MUCh more appropriate reader comments. Looks Like he was a well known/liked Doctor. https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/ne...ycle-in-Millis

A little birdie told me that the woman supposedly had a sneezing fit and her car swerved to the side of the road and hit him.
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Originally Posted by Speedo View Post
I have to agree. My expectations are pretty low in cases like this, so the fact that the woman was charged is a bit of a surprise.
I was shocked that the police charged the woman. Unfortunately it is usually marked up to nothing more than an accident. So kudos to the police...which is kind of disturbing to congratulate them on doing their "jobs".
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Originally Posted by Speedo View Post
Or not.

"Daley was charged with one count of motor vehicle homicide by negligent operation."

Encouraging. It looks like she (the driver) is being charged because she hit a cyclist that she should have seen and avoided.

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Good, as much as it saddens me to hear of anyone losing their life. I am glad to hear that the driver is facing charges.
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Old 03-31-11, 04:36 PM
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Apparently she was DUI.
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Originally Posted by trek2.3bike View Post
Apparently she was DUI.
Where did that come from? The articles that I've read said that alcohol wasn't involved.
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Originally Posted by trek2.3bike View Post
Apparently she was DUI.
Apparently the cyclist swerved into the path of the vehicle, which is why the driver hit him and continued driving home without stopping. Because of the cyclist's apparent actions, no charges will be filed.

Come on now, what you just said is less supported than statements like this, which is hard to do.
*Edit: That's not actually a statement from the article, don't worry.
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Originally Posted by Speedo View Post
Or not.

"Daley was charged with one count of motor vehicle homicide by negligent operation."

Encouraging. It looks like she (the driver) is being charged because she hit a cyclist that she should have seen and avoided.

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The man can rest in peace. He became another kind of statistic BUT, his life wasn't ignored by not penalizing the driver somehow.
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Old 03-31-11, 08:50 PM
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What I find to be both sad and very troubling is that (with the exception of the "good doctor" in LA) in cases like these unless the victim is a doctor, lawyer, or LEO that more often than not they get "brushed" aside with the LEOs/courts taking the side of the motorist. Why does it take an egregious case like the aforementioned "good doctor" in LA to get justice done?

Why is it that when the cyclist is "just" a "common person" that is the victim of an aggressive/distracted/hostile driver it's almost guaranteed that we won't get any justice by either the LEOs or justice system?

And as has been asked before aren't the LEOs suppose to conduct an impartial investigation? How can they do that without talking to both sides? Shouldn't they oh, I don't know, wait until they've had a chance to interview the cyclist or anyone else who was transported to the hospital before filing their official report? Also given the proliferation of ATM/CCTV cameras/security cameras shouldn't they wait until they have had a chance to review any and all footage before they determine who was or wasn't at fault?
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Heartbreaking.

I ride that road frequently. As the article says "it's a popular route for cyclists". People who drive that road regularly are fairly accustomed to seeing cyclists riding on the road and the cyclists tend to be experienced road cyclists who ride responsibly. It's very likely that a 74 year old pulmonary specialist known as a regular bike rider would be riding responsibly on that stretch.

Sounds to me like pretty serious driver error.

It will be interesting to see what lead to this crash.
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Old 04-01-11, 03:11 PM
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As I mentioned in post #8, a "sneezing fit" is her excuse. How ridiculous, seeing that picture, huh!?!
https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/fe...mate-physician
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So she had her eyes closed sneezing repeatedly (or was dialing her cell phone), opened her eyes (or looked up from her cell phone) and suddenly there was the Dr. cyclist. She slammed into him then slammed on her brakes skidding and fishtailing across the road until she finally came to a stop clear off the other side of the road.
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"Andrea Daley, 62, of Holliston, struck Sabin with her Nissan Sentra, police said. Speed, drugs and alcohol weren't factors, police said. Susan Sabin said she was told Daley "had a sneezing fit and didn't have her eyes open, then opened her eyes to find she was on top of him.""

Ah yes, the good old sneezing excuse. Often used in the UK. Had a short fit of sneezing while driving a couple of years ago, caused by hayfever. Duration of sneezes is said to be about 1/4 second, during which the eyes usually close involuntarilybut only during the sneeze. At 60mph that's just over 7.3 ft. Even consecutive sneezes wouldn't prevent you from seeing what was ahead between each sneeze. My own sneezes did not cause me to lose control of the car or deviate from its line, nor did they cause me to lose sight of the vehicles ahead.

Dubious or inadequate excuse.
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