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Old 08-31-11, 01:56 PM
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Bicyclist lost balance and was killed after hearing a car honk

Seems like how a driver honks can affect the cyclist in a fatal way? News here.
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Question, was the person who honked the horn and who ran the woman over the same?
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
Question, was the person who honked the horn and who ran the woman over the same?
It seems not the same, from the report. "The cyclist, who was wearing a helmet, fell toward traffic and a 2002 Mercedes-Benz ran her over, police and witnesses said." The car that honked probably was gone.
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Originally Posted by vol
Seems like how a driver honks can affect the cyclist in a fatal way? News here.

That's a tough one. If there's one thing I had to learn as a kid, it was to ignore car horns ( and other noises ) when I was biking. The article probably isn't specific enough to be clear as to whether she truly just fell over, or if she veered into the path of the car that hit her after she encountered the debris. That would indicate whether the car was passing at a reasonable distance or not.
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This story makes me realize I really need a mirror, too often I've almost done the same thing.

A few weeks ago on the corner by my office a girl stopped on her bike lost her balance and fell under a garbage truck just before the light turned green. She was also killed.

After that I don't stop next to trucks anymore, not that I did before but I try to be more aware now. And if I tried trackstanding near cars waiting at the green i'd probably stop that too, at least if anyone was near me.
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A darn shame. Witness accounts are not always reliable. More likely she was attempting to avoid the pile of wood and moved over into a car that then honked.

Google street view of the area. Not for the timid. Door zone to right, traffic to left.
https://g.co/maps/77nh
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Originally Posted by vol
Seems like how a driver honks can affect the cyclist in a fatal way? News here.
Theoretically, That is possible.
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Whats really weird is there has been some speculation that some runners or cyclists that were in great health and condition dying of a heart attack while doing their activity could be brought on by a car or a truck sounding their horn and startling them so much that their heart, already pumping fast, goes into warp speed and they die of a heart attack.
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There are cases where a horn honk has been held to be negligence. It can be "intended" to be more than a warning... I had a case where two younger boys were riding... an 18 yr old came up from behind and recognized the one boy... he came up behind and honked at the last second... the boys were startled- one went to the right off the road and the otehr went left, into the path of the passing vehicle, which was passing too closely... I represented the boy's family - we settled the case after a week of trial...
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Originally Posted by gmt13
A darn shame. Witness accounts are not always reliable. More likely she was attempting to avoid the pile of wood and moved over into a car that then honked.

Google street view of the area. Not for the timid. Door zone to right, traffic to left.
https://g.co/maps/77nh
Based on that street view, she shouldn't have had any chance to veer into the path of a car; she should have been near the center of that lane. The only way to stay out of the door zone is to take that lane. I wholeheartedly agree that this tragedy is a shame.
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Originally Posted by mulveyr
That's a tough one. If there's one thing I had to learn as a kid, it was to ignore car horns ( and other noises ) when I was biking.
This; if it's not in front of me, and I can't see red/blue lights in my mirror, I'm not really in any hurry to check it out.
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If a car unexpectedly honks behind me, whether in an angry way or not, I would think that since it's honking, then the driver must have seen me, so he/she (if sane) would be careful and try not to hit me. I have mirrors on my handlebar, but as I can't look at the mirror all the time, I do get surprise honks from time to time.
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Originally Posted by vol
If a car unexpectedly honks behind me, whether in an angry way or not, I would think that since it's honking, then the driver must have seen me, so he/she (if sane) would be careful and try not to hit me. I have mirrors on my handlebar, but as I can't look at the mirror all the time, I do get surprise honks from time to time.
You must live in a more civilized region than I do. Just this week I had a motorist honk at me and then attempt to kill me. I dodged three feet and he missed by six inches. We've got some real charmers around here.
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
You must live in a more civilized region than I do. Just this week I had a motorist honk at me and then attempt to kill me. I dodged three feet and he missed by six inches. We've got some real charmers around here.
Problem with wanabe bike killers is that they stand a good chance of getting away with it, unless there's a witness.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Problem with wanabe bike killers is that they stand a good chance of getting away with it, unless there's a witness.
Well in my case, it didn't matter that there were witnesses, it was MY fault that a car pulled out of a parking spot and hit me.
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Some bus drivers closely behind me would honk while forcing me to the curb or passing me so close that the bus almost touched me.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Whats really weird is there has been some speculation that some runners or cyclists that were in great health and condition dying of a heart attack while doing their activity could be brought on by a car or a truck sounding their horn and startling them so much that their heart, already pumping fast, goes into warp speed and they die of a heart attack.
FWIW ...

I'm closer to 50 than 40. I take cholesterol meds. I wear a heart rate monitor.

I crashed once this year (and hopefully, it will be the only time). The details aren't important, except that it was sudden and startling. What I found odd was that my heart rate was lower AFTER the crash than before. I was expecting the adrenaline to be flowing initially, and to continue until I calmed myself down. The opposite was true. Even after I got back up to the same cadence/speed I was at before the crash, my HR was lower than it was before.

Some kind of sub-concious "hey, I got through that pretty well" confidence, perhaps?
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Originally Posted by JohnnyCyclist
FWIW ...

I'm closer to 50 than 40. I take cholesterol meds. I wear a heart rate monitor.

I crashed once this year (and hopefully, it will be the only time). The details aren't important, except that it was sudden and startling. What I found odd was that my heart rate was lower AFTER the crash than before. I was expecting the adrenaline to be flowing initially, and to continue until I calmed myself down. The opposite was true. Even after I got back up to the same cadence/speed I was at before the crash, my HR was lower than it was before.

Some kind of sub-concious "hey, I got through that pretty well" confidence, perhaps?
I think some people, you and I included, don't seem to get to worked up in an emergency situation. I use to race cars and bicycles and in activity like that you learn not to get excited and try to figure a way out of a possibly bad situation, and you only have a second to do all that. My wife on the other freaks out, she's one of those slam on the brakes and grab the steering wheel tight so that the knuckles turn white, not a thought about trying to control the situation, is there an escape route, can she counter steer, should she brake then accelerate or take the foot off both...she also drives by braille if you get my meaning. I don't dare let her drive any of my classics!! And Haggerty insurance doesn't want her driving them either!
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This is why I wear headphones when I ride.
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Honk if you're an a-hole:
You can say ass hole.
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Originally Posted by johnbryer
This is why I wear headphones when I ride.
Not smart. Because you won't be able to hear the traffic.

Cars/Trucks/Vans have horns so traffic can hear them when they honk, just as bikes have bells/horns so pedestrians will be made aware of cyclists. To tune them out is not smart.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Problem with wanabe bike killers is that they stand a good chance of getting away with it, unless there's a witness.
Even with witnesses, LEOs' will default more often than not, to blaming the cyclist regardless of the motorist obviously being at fault.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Whats really weird is there has been some speculation that some runners or cyclists that were in great health and condition dying of a heart attack while doing their activity could be brought on by a car or a truck sounding their horn and startling them so much that their heart, already pumping fast, goes into warp speed and they die of a heart attack.
Jim Fixx, The noted author of 'The Complete Book of Running', died(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx#Death) of a heart attack after his daily run at the age of 52. He was genetically predisposed and had emotional factors working against him. His father died of a heart attack at 43. Also, During an autopsy was found to have atherosclerosis due to one coronary artery being 95% blocked. He had also gone through a second divorce.

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Originally Posted by Chris516
Not smart. Because you won't be able to hear the traffic.

Cars/Trucks/Vans have horns so traffic can hear them when they honk, just as bikes have bells/horns so pedestrians will be made aware of cyclists. To tune them out is not smart.
Says you. I think they they block out wind noise and make me hear better. I have custom made ear plugs for use on my motorcycle as well.
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