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Old 09-11-11, 08:03 PM
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Hazard Perception Test - Licence to Print Money

Hi

The following article appeared in The Post, September 10, 2011, Page 3 and was written by Kerry Faulkner


Mosman Park school girl Hannah Miller (17) says WA’s licensing laws are designed to make money for the state government not to help young people be better drivers.

She wrote to the POST in frustration after failing her computer-simulated hazard perception test for a third time.

A spokesman for the Department of Transport said Hannah was among 3818 people who had had to resit the test. At $20 each, that was an income of $76,000.

The test is Hannah’s final step in the long process to qualify as a P-plate driver. She has logged 30 hours practical driving with her mother Margaret.

She had spent close to $500 on driving lessons and various licences and tests.

But she cannot get over the final hurdle which is the test designed to test a driver’s reactions to hazards on the road. She is frustrated that she cannot find out where she is going wrong, particularly as she has scored so highly in the practice tests both at home and at the licensing centre.

She has passed all her other phases first time, including her practical driving test. “On the second paper I received after my test I was given very little feedback about where I could improve but was told I could resit the next day,” she said.

“Once I got home I reread my 115-page learner driver book and pondered on what may have caused my failure. “The next day I paid and resat the test.

“I was more confident but once again was unsuccessful. “This time I asked how I could improve to pass, but was told they did not know. “As a student in the western suburbs I am concerned for people who do not have the time or money to continuously sit this tedious test in which they receive no feedback.

“Observing other road users, I do not think the majority of West Australians holding older licences would pass it. “What about those people who have incompetent computer skills?”

She said the Department of Transport had said she could have a staff member present while she did the test if she failed five times.

Hannah has written to Transport Minister Troy Buswell with her complaint.

A department spokesman said 26,898 people sat the test last year, reaping $537,960. He said the department would not comment on test results of individual candidates, but if a person failed any part of the process then it was fair to assume they were not yet
ready to drive without an instructor.


If you wish to respond to the article you can via the The Post website. A strong response should help make it clear that hazard perception is very important in saving lives.

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Typical in our day and age:

Deny any personal responsibility. It's always someone else's fault that we did--or didn't--do.
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Although to be fair...

"I was more confident but once again was unsuccessful. “This time I asked how I could improve to pass, but was told they did not know."
If they really don't know how to teach her to react better, then they aren't very good at teaching.

Either way, if she can't pass the test, then she can't pass the test. Just because she's pretty doesn't mean she gets her way this time.
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A practical course on a controlled track that really challenges new drivers to anticipate and react to hazards is needed.
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Originally Posted by radshark View Post
A practical course on a controlled track that really challenges new drivers to anticipate and react to hazards is needed.
I thought this video does a good job of it ...


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Originally Posted by Aushiker View Post
I thought this video does a good job of it ...

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That's completely awesome.
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https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/20625.asp

I took the "sample" test there. I got everything on the first try.
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I am glad the girl does not have a license yet, pretty easy test and one I wish the US would require. I presume the actual test is with a decent simulator which cost money, so I see no problem with those having to retake the test covering some of the cost.

What I do not understand is why they just give a pass/fail grade rather than a log that notes what situations the tested driver failed. At least give them the information to review and use to improve.
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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/20625.asp

I took the "sample" test there. I got everything on the first try.
Nice to see that the second sample involves a cyclist.

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Originally Posted by Aushiker View Post
Hi

The following article appeared in The Post, September 10, 2011, Page 3 and was written by Kerry Faulkner




If you wish to respond to the article you can via the The Post website. A strong response should help make it clear that hazard perception is very important in saving lives.

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Perhaps the Bell Curve has finally come home to roost... not everyone has the same abilities, perhaps she is simply not meant to drive.

A department spokesman said
26,898 people sat the test last
year, reaping $537,960.
He said the department would
not comment on test results
of individual candidates, but if
a person failed any part of the
process then it was fair to
assume they were not yet
ready to drive without an instructor

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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/20625.asp

I took the "sample" test there. I got everything on the first try.
Gee you actually have to read the instructions... could that basic skill be her issue?
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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/20625.asp

I took the "sample" test there. I got everything on the first try.
So did the woman in the article.

Her complaint is not that the test is too hard, it is that the department refuses to give any feedback about why she failed. Imagine getting some answers wrong in school only to have the teacher say, "Nope, sorry. I won't help you learn the material. You'll just have to retake the test."

Their job is not to award a driver's license to anyone who can pass a test, it is to teach people how to drive safely and legally -- something which they are failing at if they cannot even provide feedback on a student's exam.
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Their job is not to award a driver's license to anyone who can pass a test, it is to teach people how to drive safely and legally -- something which they are failing at if they cannot even provide feedback on a student's exam.
No the job of the Department of Transport is to administer the test. It is the responsibility of the "instructor" to teach the student to understand how to identify hazards and to respond safely. If DOT gave her feedback on the specific areas she failed all she would need to do is polish up on those aspects to pass the test. Hardly a good outcome.

Too much focus on test passing and not enough on skills development in her argument.

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Well, the problem might be that she's driving on the wrong side of the road! Just kidding.

Couple of things I'll say to defend her.

1) OK, we all passed the practice test, but so did she, so we can't compare ourselves to her real test.

2) She has a very valid point that feedback would be helpful. Here's a person who obviously needs to improve her skills in one or more particular areas, has the desire to do it, and isn't told where to start. If we want better drivers, we should AT LEAST help those who are interested in becoming better drivers themselves.
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2) She has a very valid point that feedback would be helpful. Here's a person who obviously needs to improve her skills in one or more particular areas, has the desire to do it, and isn't told where to start. If we want better drivers, we should AT LEAST help those who are interested in becoming better drivers themselves.
She has the opportunity now ... she can get proper driving instructions ... just not from her mother. She can get a CD sample of the test and go through it with an instructor who should teach her proper safe hazard responses. Knowing how to pass the test will not address her skills shortage IMO.

Her argument is reflected every week in my university classes ... assessment drives "learning" ... how do I pass the exam is the focus; not what I can learn here, so it becomes very important to construct assessments to best as possible reflect what is be to learnt, but then the small problem of resources gets in the way.

Telling her what she is getting wrong just tells here what to learn to pass the test. Does that make a safer driver? I don't believe so.

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30 hrs of driving practice does not a qualified driver make - I don't care who you are, or where.

15 years ago, when I learned to drive in New York State, if you failed your test, you had to wait several months (3? 6?) to re-take the test. It was illegal to practice driving with your learners permit on the test course, unless you lived on it and were parking your car at home. There were no computer simulations. All my friends and I were advised by the cities main driving instructor to wear shorts, because the two test administrators were notoriously fickle. Even with all that, I struggle to remember all the countless times young drivers caused accidents in our DMV's jurisdiction.

The idea that 76k Australian would even make a DENT in the cost of damages inexperienced drivers cause is exactly the kind of misunderstanding a 17 year old driver without much real-world experience would make up.
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30 hrs of driving practice does not a qualified driver make - I don't care who you are, or where.

15 years ago, when I learned to drive in New York State, if you failed your test, you had to wait several months (3? 6?) to re-take the test. It was illegal to practice driving with your learners permit on the test course, unless you lived on it and were parking your car at home. There were no computer simulations.
All my friends and I were advised by the cities main driving instructor to wear shorts, because the two test administrators were notoriously fickle. Even with all that, I struggle to remember all the countless times young drivers caused accidents in our DMV's jurisdiction.

The idea that 76k Australian would even make a DENT in the cost of damages inexperienced drivers cause is exactly the kind of misunderstanding a 17 year old driver without much real-world experience would make up.
Did the administrators have a fetish for awesome calves?
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Is the "L" on the car for loser or learning....or both?

I can't pass my driving test......(insert worlds smallest violin playing my heart bleeds for you)

DMV just hands out paper,you have to learn to drive.

Their paper,their hoops,you have to LEARN to jump them.

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Did the administrators have a fetish for awesome calves?
I don't THINK so, or else me and my riding buddies would have passed the first time. Nobody, or almost nobody, did. Not @ 16.

Something about seeing your footwork...It was strange.
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So did the woman in the article.

Her complaint is not that the test is too hard, it is that the department refuses to give any feedback about why she failed. Imagine getting some answers wrong in school only to have the teacher say, "Nope, sorry. I won't help you learn the material. You'll just have to retake the test."

Their job is not to award a driver's license to anyone who can pass a test, it is to teach people how to drive safely and legally -- something which they are failing at if they cannot even provide feedback on a student's exam.
This is a hazard recognition/reaction time test, not something from a book. It tests inate skills, not learned ones. If someone is incapable of recognizing hazards and reacting to them, you cannot study specifics to improve. If a person does not have this ability, they shouldn't qualify to drive. Period. It says nothing about the instructors, as this is not a learned ability.
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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/20625.asp

I took the "sample" test there. I got everything on the first try.
What the...

Despite my visual impairment, that's way too simple!!! I'm sorry, but the first time I got nervous since I don't know what it's like when I take the sample test, once I take it, I simply laughed at it. I gave the sample test's primitive meter a 10 out of 10.

Well, the obvious thing is I can't drive a car despite the fact that I'm a "get-in-the-car-and-drive" kind of guy as I hate to rely in the bus system as a means of transportation. I just cannot stand being visually impaired, however.
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Despite my visual impairment, that's way too simple!!! I'm sorry, but the first time I got nervous since I don't know what it's like when I take the sample test, once I take it, I simply laughed at it. I gave the sample test's primitive meter a 10 out of 10.

Well, the obvious thing is I can't drive a car despite the fact that I'm a "get-in-the-car-and-drive" kind of guy as I hate to rely in the bus system as a means of transportation. I just cannot stand being visually impaired, however.
I think the actual test is more along the line of an automobile simulator with much more realistic video of the situations. The expense of that simulator is why they charge prospective driver for retesting.
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You can get a copies of hazard perception tests here in the UK, both official and un-official. If you have problems in understanding what is being looked for in a HP test, then you can go through the tests with an instructor who will explain what to look for the different types of hazards &c...

If you cannot pass that - sorry, try again.

RE the girl in the OP, if she is willing to shell out on some tuition, she may be able to pass. The examiners are not going to help, as that is not their job. She needs to man up, dig deep, and try again.
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hazard perception test practice 2015

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A practical course on a controlled track that really challenges new drivers to anticipate and react to hazards is needed.
Anything which causes change in speed or direction or stop called HAZARD. hazard perception test practice 2015 is introduced in 2002 and it is taken on same theory test day. Total time for this part of test is 15 minutes. You must identify upto 15 hazards from 14 video clips. Each clip contains 2 hazards. -
See more at: Free Mock Hazard Perception Test 2015
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