View Poll Results: Helmet wearing habits?
I've never worn a bike helmet
178
10.66%
I used to wear a helmet, but have stopped
94
5.63%
I've always worn a helmet
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38.80%
I didn't wear a helmet, but now do
408
24.43%
I sometimes wear a helmet depending on the conditions
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20.48%
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The helmet thread
12-12-12, 06:46 PM
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Skye, what personel experience in a non-helmet accident do you draw your wisdom from?
12-12-12, 08:10 PM
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Ask this guy if it helped... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3zir...layer_embedded
12-12-12, 08:30 PM
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If you want "personal" experience with head bouncing off the pavement with a helmet or without, nobody here in the helmet-less brigade wants to do my "simple" little "test" and state their own pain numbers as to what they think a helmet can do as comparerd to when the old brain-case bounces off the pavement without a helmet... 
Yes, there are a few who crashed and said that when their head bounced off the pavement (without a helmet), nothing bad really happened, but I wager that is statistically normal... JMO in general, learned in the school of hard knocks during my life...
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12-13-12, 07:52 AM
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So my personal experience is immaterial when it comes to making public health recommendations. What does the research show? In this case, what the research shows, is jack-all nothing when it comes to promotion of helmets as a safety device.
12-13-12, 08:08 AM
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As I have posted several time, "studies" are mainly done by someone with a preconcieved idea they want to prove. Isnt it amazing how their "studies" prove themselves right???
12-13-12, 08:24 AM
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Ask this guy if it helped... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3zir...layer_embedded
Of course not. That would be silly.
By the same token, someone who gets in a crash, and happens to be wearing a helmet, and emerges from said crash without TBI does not provide proof that "helmets work." By that standard, as I just demonstrated, "crystals work" as well.
12-13-12, 08:29 AM
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Oh, yeah, those "studies" that show that condom use reduces HIV transmission -- yeah, ignore that crap. They're just "studies," right?
To summarize your public health policy: Ignore the science, just let 'em die. Very humanitarian of you.
12-13-12, 12:42 PM
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Try reading my previous response to you. What I thought was interesting was the way they segmented the types of injury. My intent was absolutely not to claim that this study's results had any pertinence to cycle helmet statistics. But, as I said before, what was interesting was how they seperated two types of head injury: skull injury and TBI.
All too often, people like you, either through stupidity or intentional obfuscation conflate those two. Like the idiot who just plugged in with the latest OMIGOD MY HELMET SAFED MY LIEF!! story. He took a knock on the noggin which didn't cause loss of consciousness and didn't even cause any concussion, yet if he hadn't been wearing his helmet, he would have been dead or eating out of a straw the rest of his life.
Besides being death-defyingly stupid, what that post highlighted was the all-too-common mixing of skull injury with TBI. Thus my post to try to show the difference between the two.
But you're so tied up in defending your point of view, even though it is supported by frighteningly little research, that all you can do is try and twist things around until they stop causing you cognitive dissonance. Don't worry, when you grow up enough to be able to objectively analyze the research, it will be all there waiting for you.
All too often, people like you, either through stupidity or intentional obfuscation conflate those two. Like the idiot who just plugged in with the latest OMIGOD MY HELMET SAFED MY LIEF!! story. He took a knock on the noggin which didn't cause loss of consciousness and didn't even cause any concussion, yet if he hadn't been wearing his helmet, he would have been dead or eating out of a straw the rest of his life.
Besides being death-defyingly stupid, what that post highlighted was the all-too-common mixing of skull injury with TBI. Thus my post to try to show the difference between the two.
But you're so tied up in defending your point of view, even though it is supported by frighteningly little research, that all you can do is try and twist things around until they stop causing you cognitive dissonance. Don't worry, when you grow up enough to be able to objectively analyze the research, it will be all there waiting for you.
In the post where you cited the football helmet study, there was no explanation on your part about the difference between the two types of injury. It was posted pretty much without comment, certainly without pertinent information, like why you were actually posting a football helmet study in a thread about bicycle helmets.
There's not enough research, not enough studies out there to make a solid case either way regarding bicycle helmet use. I have nothing tied up in my point of view on the matter--if it could be shown definitively that helmets do nothing, I'd be tempted to not wear one more.
If you think you are looking at things objectively, you could use some growing up yourself... You and your ilk are quick to point out insignificant minutiae in pro-helmet studies in order to dismiss them, but then think people should take seriously a study about football helmets in a discussion about bicycle helmets.
12-13-12, 01:18 PM
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In a contentious thread like this it's not a good idea to talk about the deficiencies of other Bikeforums members. If someone makes me read through this thread I'm gonna be pretty unhappy.
12-13-12, 05:40 PM
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...my point being that if we're comparing things based on the biomechanic aspects, we might as well open the door to any and all helmets as relevant. Yes? So why not include motorcycle helmets in this discussion? Even though, such comparisons get shouted down by the bare-head brigade any time the proven efficacy of motorcycle helmets is mentioned.
Personally, I wear a skate-style helment, Giro Section, but I see where you're going with this. So the debate again boils down to minutiae again what style of helmet will provide any kind of protection; if a helmet which provides less protection is selected then what's the point. There's still them what would claim something's better than nothing...
12-13-12, 06:34 PM
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All too often, people like you, either through stupidity or intentional obfuscation conflate those two. Like the idiot who just plugged in with the latest OMIGOD MY HELMET SAFED MY LIEF!! story. He took a knock on the noggin which didn't cause loss of consciousness and didn't even cause any concussion, yet if he hadn't been wearing his helmet, he would have been dead or eating out of a straw the rest of his life.
Besides being death-defyingly stupid, what that post highlighted was the all-too-common mixing of skull injury with TBI. Thus my post to try to show the difference between the two.
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All too often, people like you, either through stupidity or intentional obfuscation conflate those two. Like the idiot who just plugged in with the latest OMIGOD MY HELMET SAFED MY LIEF!! story. He took a knock on the noggin which didn't cause loss of consciousness and didn't even cause any concussion, yet if he hadn't been wearing his helmet, he would have been dead or eating out of a straw the rest of his life.
Besides being death-defyingly stupid, what that post highlighted was the all-too-common mixing of skull injury with TBI. Thus my post to try to show the difference between the two.
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I also said, my tale was nothing more than an anecdote.
But you are wrong about me taking a knock on the noggin with no loss of consciousness. I was unconscious for 38 days and had a TBI. I didn't say I would have been eating from a straw from this accident. The straw comment was about low-speed falls, in general.
But you are correct. My recovery would have gone much smoother if my skull had also been shattered. If only I'd had your information and left my helmet at home, that day.
12-13-12, 06:35 PM
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done with this thread
12-14-12, 01:06 AM
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12-14-12, 08:03 AM
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Two things!! Why not stop the personal attacks, and second try to stay on the topic of cycling.
Two things!! Why not stop the personal attacks, and second try to stay on the topic of cycling.
12-14-12, 09:42 AM
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I'm OK with aspects of motorcycle helmets being compared to cycling helmets for relevance, providing it isn't taken itself as proof of effectiveness, which is exactly what I said for other helmet comparisons also. When you're dealing with such a narrow topic, you gotta take what you can get and see what might fit.
Sure there is, but my point really was that there is no need for a sanctimonious attitude about it, which really drips from the paternal arguments about wearing a helmet. We all make sacrifices of safety for convenience every day; simply establishing that somebody is sacrificing safety is, therefore, a really dumb way to try and claim any sort of moral high ground. They do it too, along with the rest of the world. If I start wearing a motorcycle helmet while riding a bike, it doesn't put me in a position to deride those wearing bike helmets as "Darwin Awards" or for sacrificing their safety because they don't want to get hot (wusses). That's all I'm saying, really.
12-14-12, 08:37 PM
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Trouble is, most of the bare head brigade is more than willing to dismiss a study -- all of it -- based on minutiae which don't meet their rigorous requirements for serious consideration. Regardless if there are parts of that study which might be useful for discussion. And yet, here we have one of their charter members posting about football helmets, with the rest of the gang supporting this because it is only very, very tangentially relevant to a discussion about bike helmets? Sorry, no, complete BS post and defense of it.
Well, you're not talking about me here, so I can't really comment on paternalistic, overbearing, sanctimonious helmeteers. Really, all I'm doing is calling out the shrill, overbearing, sanctimonious bare-headers who insist that a study regarding football helmets has any bearing whatsoever in a thread about bicycle helmets on a bicycle forum.
12-15-12, 08:46 AM
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If you come to this thread and report that a helmet prevented injury, like it did for me, be prepared for name calling.
The anti helmet cult will assure you that you are stupid etc, and that real world happening are trumped by "studies"!!! With all the personal attacks on people that wear helmets, it pays to have a thick skin if you post anything favorable to helmets here.
If you come to this thread and report that a helmet prevented injury, like it did for me, be prepared for name calling.
The anti helmet cult will assure you that you are stupid etc, and that real world happening are trumped by "studies"!!! With all the personal attacks on people that wear helmets, it pays to have a thick skin if you post anything favorable to helmets here.
12-15-12, 08:49 AM
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Btw ------------ If you post the statement that cyclist that dont wear helmet make excellent organ donners, the anti helmet cult really get their under lovlies in a wad. Stay tuned!!!!
Btw ------------ If you post the statement that cyclist that dont wear helmet make excellent organ donners, the anti helmet cult really get their under lovlies in a wad. Stay tuned!!!!
12-15-12, 09:41 AM
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If you come to this thread and report that a helmet prevented injury, like it did for me, be prepared for name calling.
The anti helmet cult will assure you that you are stupid etc, and that real world happening are trumped by "studies"!!! With all the personal attacks on people that wear helmets, it pays to have a thick skin if you post anything favorable to helmets here.
If you come to this thread and report that a helmet prevented injury, like it did for me, be prepared for name calling.
The anti helmet cult will assure you that you are stupid etc, and that real world happening are trumped by "studies"!!! With all the personal attacks on people that wear helmets, it pays to have a thick skin if you post anything favorable to helmets here.
12-16-12, 02:13 AM
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Again, fair enough, and the feeling is pretty much mutual. I think we're more or less at about the same place on the issue, with slightly different opinions/personal conditions leading to slightly different choices.
12-17-12, 02:48 AM
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Well, since you added the fist-bump. 
12-18-12, 04:36 PM
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tl;dr
I'd rather have it and not need it than not have it and need it. I don't really see why anyone is getting bent out of shape and calling people names over this though.
I'd rather have it and not need it than not have it and need it. I don't really see why anyone is getting bent out of shape and calling people names over this though.
