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Old 01-20-13, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Six jours
Metal fenders only. People who use plastic fenders are organ donors who deserve to die.

And overly-bright headlights will blind oncoming motorists who will then accidentally mow you down. People who use overly-bright headlights are organ donors who deserve to die.

Say, this is fun. No wonder the helmeteers enjoy it so much!
*whew* I got metal fenders...

But...

I am an organ donor, and part of being human is dying at the end, so not only is if fun to say, but in this case, you are correct.

PSA: If you are not yet, consider becoming an organ donor. Even if you wear/don't wear a helmet.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
The benefit of ABS for highly skilled drivers (I do not count myself in that category) is questionable. But ABS certainly is useful for the average driver who doesn't have any particular skill and doesn't care to develop any.

Which, perhaps, is exactly true of cyclists and helmets as well.
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Old 01-20-13, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
PSA: If you are not yet, consider becoming an organ donor. Even if you wear/don't wear a helmet.
Many of you helmet wearers are quick to draw with the "Organ Donor" comment. How many of you actually are organ donors, like you suggest that the bare-headers should be...?
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Good question. I have had the donation sticker on my driver's license since I was eighteen. Whether any of my parts are worth donating at this point is open to question, of course...
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Originally Posted by Six jours
Good question. I have had the donation sticker on my driver's license since I was eighteen. Whether any of my parts are worth donating at this point is open to question, of course...
They can have everything except my liver. I'm trying real hard to kill it myself... Not sure anyone would want my brain, either...
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
They can have everything except my liver. I'm trying real hard to kill it myself... Not sure anyone would want my brain, either...
We may actually be the same person. Which would make the Ryda sock puppet as much your fault as mine. You bastard.
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Isnt it amazing how some people are reduced to name calling when people dont agree with their point of view?? It seems to be their way or the hiway. When real life events or logic is presented, they just start their name calling.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
We may actually be the same person. Which would make the Ryda sock puppet as much your fault as mine. You bastard.
Ha!
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I can't live this lie any longer! I am the Rydabent sock puppet!
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Originally Posted by 350htrr
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Maybe that's because ABS needs input from the driver to work as designed to reduce accidents... You know, something hard, and requiring skills, like turning the steering wheel to steer around the accident spot to avoid it...
Except that there were several studies done to examine why ABS didn't produce the expected safety benefits (some of which I cited previously) and they found that drivers in cars equipped with ABS drove significantly more aggressively than drivers in otherwise identical cars but without ABS. So contrary to your hypothesis, it wasn't that the drivers failed to change their behavior when driving with ABS but that they changed their behavior in ways that actually contributed to creating more dangerous situations.
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Originally Posted by prathmann
Except that there were several studies done to examine why ABS didn't produce the expected safety benefits (some of which I cited previously) and they found that drivers in cars equipped with ABS drove significantly more aggressively than drivers in otherwise identical cars but without ABS. So contrary to your hypothesis, it wasn't that the drivers failed to change their behavior when driving with ABS but that they changed their behavior in ways that actually contributed to creating more dangerous situations.
I'm sure they did all that (drive more aggressively because they thought that the ABS was going to keep them out of trouble) But what they didn't understand was that the ABS actually increased the stopping distances in some conditions and that the ABS was designed to help the driver AVOID things, thus needing the input of the driver to turn the steering wheel which I suspect they didn't do, causing more accidents instead of reducing them... JMO
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This post is not for those who wear helmets nor is it for those who have decided not to wear a helmet. But if you are the fence, I strongly urge you to wear a helmet every time. An uncle was "talked" into wearing a helmet (or to put it more bluntly, "wear a helmet or you are not allowed to ride in our group anymore" ). After his accident, Hershey Medical center had his helmet on displayed for years. The display was very convincing . The other point I make is that most falls are not anticipated and many happen so fast that there is no time to react. I personally experienced such a fall this year , when two large , unleashed dogs appeared out of no where. I squeezed my new brakes a tad too hard, went over the bar and the side of my protected head hit the pavement hard , cracking the helmet in two places, but sparing my head from any serious damage.
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I can't live this lie any longer! I am the Rydabent sock puppet!
Nice try, mconlox.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
Isnt it amazing how some people are reduced to name calling when people dont agree with their point of view?? It seems to be their way or the hiway. When real life events or logic is presented, they just start their name calling.
I know this may be hard to follow, but no one has called you a name on this page, so worry not.
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Originally Posted by Bikehog
This post is not for those who wear helmets nor is it for those who have decided not to wear a helmet. But if you are the fence, I strongly urge you to wear a helmet every time. An uncle was "talked" into wearing a helmet (or to put it more bluntly, "wear a helmet or you are not allowed to ride in our group anymore" ). After his accident, Hershey Medical center had his helmet on displayed for years. The display was very convincing . The other point I make is that most falls are not anticipated and many happen so fast that there is no time to react. I personally experienced such a fall this year , when two large , unleashed dogs appeared out of no where. I squeezed my new brakes a tad too hard, went over the bar and the side of my protected head hit the pavement hard , cracking the helmet in two places, but sparing my head from any serious damage.
My second cousin fell into a pool while wearing a life jacket. She didn't die. So I strongly urge everyone to wear a life jacket in the pool.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
My second cousin fell into a pool while wearing a life jacket. She didn't die. So I strongly urge everyone to wear a life jacket in the pool.
A real rocket scientist....
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Originally Posted by Six jours
My second cousin fell into a pool while wearing a life jacket. She didn't die. So I strongly urge everyone to wear a life jacket in the pool.
I'll consider it.

While boating my likelyhood of PFD use is inversely proportional to size of craft, as a general rule.

While cycling I do not take size nor weight of bicycle into consideration for helmet use, merely style of cycling I'm doing. Works for me.
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A real rocket scientist....
Actually, she works at Wal-Mart.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
My second cousin fell into a pool while wearing a life jacket. She didn't die. So I strongly urge everyone to wear a life jacket in the pool.
Depends if she knew how to swim or not... If she knew how to swim, than most likely it didn't matter if she had a life jacket on (unless she hit her head on the edge or the bottom), if she didn't know how to swim then, it almost certainly it "saved her life"...
How does this pertain to cycling with or without a helmet you are thinking? Well you can crash and not hit your head and it doesn't matter if you were wearing a helmet or not, or you could crash and bounce the old noggin off the pavement then it certainly would matter if you were wearing a helmet or not... JMO

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Woah, fake Catlike helmets. What'll they think of next?
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Yes, I am part of a sock puppet mafia which includes Rando, Six Jours, Rydabent, and others. We are actually one person suffering from multiple personality disorder. Who we are decides whether or not we wear a helmet while riding any given day... We also like arguing with ourselves on BF.

Why did you tell them this?!?

Shut up!
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Originally Posted by 350htrr
Depends if she knew how to swim or not... If she knew how to swim, than most likely it didn't matter if she had a life jacket on (unless she hit her head on the edge or the bottom), if she didn't know how to swim then, it almost certainly it "saved her life"...
How does this pertain to cycling with or without a helmet you are thinking? Well you can crash and not hit your head and it doesn't matter if you were wearing a helmet or not, or you could crash and bounce the old noggin off the pavement then it certainly would matter if you were wearing a helmet or not... JMO
You'll have to ask mconlox. He's the one in charge of the brain on Mondays.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
You'll have to ask mconlox. He's the one in charge of the brain on Mondays.
Huh? Wah...? Oh, um, right, whoops...

Originally Posted by 350htrr
Depends if she knew how to swim or not... If she knew how to swim, than most likely it didn't matter if she had a life jacket on (unless she hit her head on the edge or the bottom), if she didn't know how to swim then, it almost certainly it "saved her life"...
How does this pertain to cycling with or without a helmet you are thinking? Well you can crash and not hit your head and it doesn't matter if you were wearing a helmet or not, or you could crash and bounce the old noggin off the pavement then it certainly would matter if you were wearing a helmet or not... JMO
You can still drown with a life jacket on; you can still suffer TBI if you're wearing a helmet.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx

You can still drown with a life jacket on; you can still suffer TBI if you're wearing a helmet.
Yes, you can still drown even if you wear a life jacket and die or suffer TBI wearing a helmet and you can also die in bed even if you wore a helmet...

This thing that a helmet must save you from everything and because it doesn't, shouldn't be the criteria whether to wear a helmet or not, mitigating some of the hurt that can happen when the old head bounces off the pavement is good enough for me...
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